nevinm
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its a dom trait. if you breed an enigma to a normal you get 50% normals and 50% enigmas
its a dom trait. if you breed an enigma to a normal you get 50% normals and 50% enigmas
nevinm
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if you ment mix them with normals, then they do that kinda stuff all the time. they just count them out where they get ordered from, tossed in a box and then get shipped. the pet stores dont know much about morphs and thats how.
Anthony Caponetto
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That's what mutations do when they're established...drop like a rock. lol
That's OK, though...they still offer so much potential in making new combos...selectively bred combos are what we were after when we bought our first two. Plain enigmas might be $20 in wholesale now, but extreme tangerine Enigmas will never be that common and they'll probably be good sellers for a long time.
The reason leo mutations get cheap so fast is because they multiply so fast and there are only so many people willing to spend a certain amount of money on a gecko. After they get one or two, not only are they not buying anymore, but they're producing the morph themselves. Supply of the mutation goes up, demand for it (at that price) goes down...you know the rest.
We knew it would happen and still spent $1,500 each on two females when they came out. We just like them because you can make cool combos...same reason I like albinos and you can buy those for $12.50 in wholesale.
At the end of the day, it's all about selective breeding...like I always say, a good looking anything will always sell better than an average looking one.
That's OK, though...they still offer so much potential in making new combos...selectively bred combos are what we were after when we bought our first two. Plain enigmas might be $20 in wholesale now, but extreme tangerine Enigmas will never be that common and they'll probably be good sellers for a long time.
The reason leo mutations get cheap so fast is because they multiply so fast and there are only so many people willing to spend a certain amount of money on a gecko. After they get one or two, not only are they not buying anymore, but they're producing the morph themselves. Supply of the mutation goes up, demand for it (at that price) goes down...you know the rest.
We knew it would happen and still spent $1,500 each on two females when they came out. We just like them because you can make cool combos...same reason I like albinos and you can buy those for $12.50 in wholesale.
At the end of the day, it's all about selective breeding...like I always say, a good looking anything will always sell better than an average looking one.
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meatgecko
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I'm still to get my first enigma but look around the internet I've noticed how the price in general of the enigma has dropped. I'm pretty sure if enigma was recessive then they would still be big money
Gary Orner
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That's what mutations do when they're established...drop like a rock. lol
That's OK, though...they still offer so much potential in making new combos...selectively bred combos are what we were after when we bought our first two. Plain enigmas might be $20 in wholesale now, but extreme tangerine Enigmas will never be that common and they'll probably be good sellers for a long time.
The reason leo mutations get cheap so fast is because they multiply so fast and there are only so many people willing to spend a certain amount of money on a gecko. After they get one or two, not only are they not buying anymore, but they're producing the morph themselves. Supply of the mutation goes up, demand for it (at that price) goes down...you know the rest.
We knew it would happen and still spent $1,500 each on two females when they came out. We just like them because you can make cool combos...same reason I like albinos and you can buy those for $12.50 in wholesale.
At the end of the day, it's all about selective breeding...like I always say, a good looking anything will always sell better than an average looking one.
Nice post bro
bcreptiles
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IMO one of the reasons, why prices drop, is because the intire reptile hobby changed the last few years from a KEEPING REPTILE hobby, to a BREEDING REPTILE hobby, there are just to many people, who instead of just enjoying keeping an reptile, ALWAYS want to breed an animals, and with leopardgeckos, its just to easy.
at the shows, people are just looking for more breeding animasl, and just after the have bred loads, find out, that its not always easy to sell them, an dstart dumoing the prices, because the get affraid that prices of the crickets and the mealworms, will become higher then the price they can get for their babies...
over here, people offer eggs from bearded dragons and leopardgeckos for as less as 4 euro (5dollar). because they know, that if they hatch them, they have to feed them
then other people buy the eggs, incubate them, and sell them for 10euro on the shows, because they ONLY paid 4 euro for them anyway.
its a snowball.
because people are then selling them for 10 euro, others who had them priced for 17.50 or even 15 euro's are also dropping their prices, because they get scared also.
with the higher morphs its even worst.
IMO the hobby needs a BIG wake-up call
at the shows, people are just looking for more breeding animasl, and just after the have bred loads, find out, that its not always easy to sell them, an dstart dumoing the prices, because the get affraid that prices of the crickets and the mealworms, will become higher then the price they can get for their babies...
over here, people offer eggs from bearded dragons and leopardgeckos for as less as 4 euro (5dollar). because they know, that if they hatch them, they have to feed them
then other people buy the eggs, incubate them, and sell them for 10euro on the shows, because they ONLY paid 4 euro for them anyway.
its a snowball.
because people are then selling them for 10 euro, others who had them priced for 17.50 or even 15 euro's are also dropping their prices, because they get scared also.
with the higher morphs its even worst.
IMO the hobby needs a BIG wake-up call
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meatgecko
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you can't blame people for wanting to breed their leos though. It's a part of owning them if you have the room/money etc.
I really hope the prices don't keep dropping as quickly. I spent around $1000 last year for my male tang enigma. I listed two babies today for way less and I've had no interest yet. I paid around $3K for my three adult enigmas, plus I have another that isn't quite an adult yet. I don't regret it at all though. I still think enigmas make some of the most beautiful and unique babies.
bcreptiles
casper
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i disagree, reptilekeeping was keeping reptiles, breeding was a unexpected pleasure
the problem is not that people want to breed a few babies(1 or 2 clutch, for the experience), to many people breed to many animals to make money from the hobby.
you now see, that people are stopping breeding lepards, because they know they can't sell them (so they did not do it for the breeding experience)
and they are now ALL switching to other (EXPENSIVE) geckospecies, because they want to breed them, again to jus make a profit.
BUT because they ALL switch to the same species, next year, they will have the same problem.
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meatgecko
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I can only speak from my own experience on breeding etc. I don't do it for money in fact I've not sold *any* of my hatchlings
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