A Thought On Enigmas...

[KellyTCS]

What's a Paradox?

 

[BalloonzForU]

Michael, got any updates on that BSB?

 

[eyelids]

Michael, got any updates on that BSB?

Felicia, I'll have pictures up on X-Mas or the day after. I now have 2 Mack Pastel BSBs and a Mack Snow BSB. It also looks like the newest albino from this mom is a BSB, but it's going to take another shed or two before I can tell. Oh yeah, one of the Mack Pastel BSBs is looking like the speckled morph! It's very cool looking!

 

[Lottiz]

What's a Paradox?

A paradox is when some thing pop up even if it's imposable. For example black spot on albinos. An other paradox could be if some melanistic gecko, my Blackie for example, get all red eyed offsprings with black body. That's a paradox.

/L

 

[KellyTCS]

Ahhh, my brain clears! Thanks!

 

[BalloonzForU]

You can also get Paradox Spots on Blizzards. Since they are a white to grey to lavender/greyish color a black spot stands out, and this is a paradox.

 

[okapi]

Ive seen random spotting on blizzards and murphy patternless and considered that to be something similar to a birth mark. The paradox albino in the book had a huge section of its body pigmented normally but then the rest of it was normal yellow and brown albino colors. Since the albino gene is amelanistic (NO black pigment) meaning that a paradox morph is geneticly impossible, but somehow happened. Looking at the Enigmas reminded me of that picture, they are very similar in some way.

 

[BalloonzForU]

yes that would be paradox. Paradox can fall under a few different things. I think the paradox albinos are very interesting, the one in Tremper's book is also half male and half female.

 

[eyelids]

Since the albino gene is amelanistic (NO black pigment) meaning that a paradox morph is geneticly impossible, but somehow happened. Looking at the Enigmas reminded me of that picture, they are very similar in some way.

The Enigmas seem to be ocular albinos which is a form of albinism that only affects the eyes. That would explain the black pigment, but I'm so thrown of by the Albino Enigma in my original post. The idea is that there's two forms of albino going on in that one. I just don't see how that's possible because if Enigmas are ocular albinos it should cancel out the regular form. Based on that I'm sticking with my theory that Enigmas are co-dominant and one form produces regular albinos and the other produces ocular albinos.

All in all I must say, Enigma is a very fitting name for this morph!

 

[Sandra]

The paradox albino in the book had a huge section of its body pigmented normally but then the rest of it was normal yellow and brown albino colors. Since the albino gene is amelanistic (NO black pigment) meaning that a paradox morph is geneticly impossible, but somehow happened.

yes that would be paradox. Paradox can fall under a few different things. I think the paradox albinos are very interesting, the one in Tremper's book is also half male and half female.

Maybe they were siamese twins that were so blended that looked like they were one. I saw that in House M.D. :main_lipsrsealed:

Just kidding. Ignore me.

The idea is that there's two forms of albino going on in that one. I just don't see how that's possible because if Enigmas are ocular albinos it should cancel out the regular form.

Why should it? I've always heard that there is no problem in mixing morphs as long as they don't share the same locus. Then, different strains of albinos cancel each other?

 

[cjreptiles]

Why should it? I've always heard that there is no problem in mixing morphs as long as they don't share the same locus. Then, different strains of albinos cancel each other?

Because the original theory (or at least one of them) was that, for some reason, if the albino gene was expressed in enigmas, it was expressed only in the eyes, which was the explanation given for the red eyed enigmas with black spots. However it seems more likely to me that there is just a gene that causes red eyes.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

If you have seen the non-red eyed Enigma`s you should notice their eyes, they are different. They almost look albino, on their own, they are sort of grightly gold colored.

With the other Albino gene they become red. Now I just have no idea why the red eyed ones would have all of those spots, and the other ones do not. Oh boy, here we go again!

 

[cjreptiles]

If you have seen the non-red eyed Enigma`s you should notice their eyes, they are different. They almost look albino, on their own, they are sort of grightly gold colored.

With the other Albino gene they become red. Now I just have no idea why the red eyed ones would have all of those spots, and the other ones do not. Oh boy, here we go again!

In the non-red eyed enigmas I have seen, including my own, the eyes are slightly different from normal but not noticeably so (you probably wouldn't notice unless you were looking. Definitely not albino though.

 

[eyelids]

Now I just have no idea why the red eyed ones would have all of those spots, and the other ones do not. Oh boy, here we go again!

That is the biggest mystery with them in my opinion. If they aren't two seperate morphs I'll eat my shoe. Maybe there's a hidden gene at work here?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

In the non-red eyed enigmas I have seen, including my own, the eyes are slightly different from normal but not noticeably so (you probably wouldn't notice unless you were looking. Definitely not albino though.

I do not mean to say they are Albino, the picture I have seen shows a very different than normal eye. The color is gold, and very light, a lot like an Albino.

It was very easy for me to see a difference, with my first glance at the photo. Normals have much darker eyes. Maybe each one is different too, I do not know.

Now if you were saying this about Mack Snows, I would agree and say there is only a slight difference in the eyes compared to normals. The non-red eyed ones Kelli first posted had pretty bright GOLD eyes though.

Michael, I dont think they are two morphs either. I do think it is odd though, that the non-red eyed ones are lacking the spots. I think it should be the other way around! LOL

Now only if... Mark Bell even knew what that the hell that "Albino Enigma" was,:main_laugh: this whole thing might make more sense.

 

[KelliH]

Now I just have no idea why the red eyed ones would have all of those spots, and the other ones do not. Oh boy, here we go again!

Not all of the Red Eyed Enigmas have spots, and not all of the non red eyed enigmas have no spots. There are variations of both, and it depends a lot on the genetics of the parents as to what the offspring look like patternwise, and colorwise.

In my opinion, the Enigma is a morph that is completely independent of any others, and when combined with albinism, you get the Red Eyed animals.

 

[cjreptiles]

Not all of the Red Eyed Enigmas have spots, and not all of the non red eyed enigmas have no spots. There are variations of both, and it depends a lot on the genetics of the parents as to what the offspring look like patternwise, and colorwise.

In my opinion, the Enigma is a morph that is completely independent of any others, and when combined with albinism, you get the Red Eyed animals.

What are your thoughts on the 'albino enigma' then?

 

[eyelids]

Not all of the Red Eyed Enigmas have spots, and not all of the non red eyed enigmas have no spots. There are variations of both, and it depends a lot on the genetics of the parents as to what the offspring look like patternwise, and colorwise.

In my opinion, the Enigma is a morph that is completely independent of any others, and when combined with albinism, you get the Red Eyed animals.

Nice to see you posting in this thread! I know I shouldn't be boasting about my Black Spot Bells without them being proven, but they really excite me. I seriously want to send one down there so you could get a good look at the eyes and see if you or Mark have hatched anything like it.

It's cool to know that there could be a red eyed version of the white Enigma from your recent post! I can't wait to see some crosses!

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Cool, I want to see!

Not all of the Red Eyed Enigmas have spots, and not all of the non red eyed enigmas have no spots. There are variations of both, and it depends a lot on the genetics of the parents as to what the offspring look like patternwise, and colorwise.

You know me, what I really want to see is a Mack Enigma! And the list goes on, and on.

 

[Sandra]

Not all of the Red Eyed Enigmas have spots, and not all of the non red eyed enigmas have no spots. There are variations of both, and it depends a lot on the genetics of the parents as to what the offspring look like patternwise, and colorwise.

In my opinion, the Enigma is a morph that is completely independent of any others, and when combined with albinism, you get the Red Eyed animals.

Do you mean that red eyed enigmas are homozygous albinos that only show this trait in the eyes, and the body colouration of the bell enigma it's only because of the quality of its parents? (for example, if you used a bell hybino, it's logic that even if the offspring cannot show albino colouration, the color is bright like it would be in a het).