Anyone want to comment in this thread please?

[PaulSage]

I don't use sand for my geckos because I need it for the driveway (gotta love winter). :main_laugh:

I use kraft paper or paper towels for my geckos.

 

[wilomn]

One thing that those with the only right answer to any given problem often overlook, though how is somewhat amazing, is that they, the ones with the only valid opinion, are the only ones stating that there's is the only proper way.

Personally, use what you like and feel comfortable with. I'm not going to ever say, in regards to bedding, my way is the only way. How foolish is that. It works for me. Read nothing further into it than that and you'll be getting exactly as much as I put into to. Just because I certain thing works for me does not in any way make that the only way or even A way that anyone else must use, be it substrate, food, housing or what have you.

It's an opinion, not a mandate.

 

[nygeckoqn]

I agree, that was pretty low Robin, the only reason I said to use the search tool was because there are a TON of threads on this forum already with a LOT of information on Sand as a substrate.

Right, Just as there are on many other subjects.And referring anyone to another posts just makes them feel unimportant.

Good Idea, I am sure that you have had enough stress due to this one subject, you don't need any more. If someone asks about it again, just refer them to your "Search Fuction" thread

STRESS...over a substrate post!! Come on!!! exactly how high and mighty do you see yourselves as.
Notice I have a total of something like 15 posts here or something....this is why.This forum is excatly like fauna...all about who you are not about the animals or the questions real people may have. And yes this was about calci sand and a quest for...Back up I guess. But if you read what was written she clearly siad if that was not something allowed here she was sorry. But to state that any other posts on this subject should be refered to a search function...I'm sorry but I felt that was cold as ice and picture how a new comer asking that question would feel....for those of you who might get to stressed figuring that out...they would feel completely unwelcome....just as I always have here which is why I don't generally post. The only reason I had been here at all is because i had been doing some reading on Cresteds and figured I would pop in the leo forum and this was the first post I saw. Thanks for reminding me why I DON'T come here

 

[Russ S]

This forum is excatly like fauna...all about who you are not about the animals or the questions real people may have.

If this is how you feel about Geckoforums.net then feel free not to come here anymore. Unlike some other forums you will not be banned from here just because you do't like the way we do things.

Have a great day.
Russ

 

[Jeanne]

Robin, if this is how you feel about me then you should of at least told me when you called me a few weeks ago, you abviously were being fake to me on the phone call.

You don't understand all the long posts Marcia and many others here have already put into this subject, a lot of time and effort went into it. I don't think that asking people to read those posts instead of having them type it all out again is being rude. But, if that is how you are taking it then I am sorry.

Originally Posted by nygeckoqn
This forum is excatly like fauna...all about who you are not about the animals or the questions real people may have.

You are basing this all because people don't want to get into the big sand debate for the 100th time. If thats how you feel, then so be it.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I'm sorry but I felt that was cold as ice and picture how a new comer asking that question would feel....for those of you who might get to stressed figuring that out...they would feel completely unwelcome....just as I always have here which is why I don't generally post.

I am 100% positive that is not the intention. Someone is just a little too sensitive IMO. It is really not that negative. Sorry you feel that way.

Honestly I feel only only someone that is in your words "too important" would feel that way about it. Why have a forum so jumbled full of the same exact questions etc? I think that is more the point of using the search function, to take up less space. It would only make things easier to find in the longrun as well.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Yea it is also my thought that it is to avoid more conflict on the subject, NOT to single anyone out.

 

[Jeanne]

Why have a forum so jumbled full of the same exact questions etc? I think that is more the point of using the search function, to take up less space. It would only make things easier to find in the longrun as well.

Yes, and because there is SOOOOO much info in those posts, really good info.

And also, because, like this one, all sand threads turn into a big 'Ole mess

 

[Wretched]

Messy!

Yes, all sand posts do turn into big ole messes. Heres what I as a reader would like to see.


Good things: What, Why, When, Who, fact. personal experience.

Bad things: This one time, on youtube i saw this thing, therefore its evil. "...I guess you really just dont care..." "...some people will never learn..." "...oh this is just like such and such place..."


okay people, most of us are adults here. Ya know, growed up kids?

Yes, sand can cause impactions. This is a fact. The thing is is that it's usualy many other factors involved with the impaction, Leo's dont usualy eat sand unless they are calcium deprived.

Calci Sand, Okay for other reptiles, but from what I've heard a lot about, not so for Leo's. Marcia posted a great experiment as to why about it once. Something to do with digestion and such.

Hatchlings. Risk is greater. Duh, Smaller Critter means bigger sand in proportion.

It all has to do with Risks. Will sand be a death sentance for your Gecko? No. Are there dangers? Yes. The choice has to do with what you are willing to see as acceptable.

Me? All sub adults are on Papertowels. My adults are on Playground sand that is slowly being covered, piece by piece (as I can afford it) By slate tiles. I like the look, my gecko's eat out of bowls, their caves are sand free, and they are healthy with sand free poop.

Not all folks here will agree with my tactics, this is fine. But this is a palce of learning and discussion. Some have it right, some need to relax and take a breather.

Thanks

 

[Ian S.]

Uhhh....:main_rolleyes: can someone find me any pics of the leos dead from consuming papertowels:wall:

 

[KiKi]

substrate discussions about sand always turn into a debate

 

[Ian S.]

substrate discussions about sand always turn into a debate

Absolutely true.
I've never really got involved with these substrate debates. However nobody is going to tell me sand doesn't kill baby and juvie leos. I just refuse to hear it. It's a fact and I've seen it as well as many.. I myself regretfully killed many leos back in the day keeping them on sand. Even with plenty of calci dishes in the enclosure might I add. Unfortunately at the time of being 15 yrs. old and not knowing any better I did what my boss told me to do.(working at a pet store of course) Have I had them thrive on sand before?.....Yes for years, but the number of leos I killed in between that time were emense. Almost every one I opened up post mortem had the same thing a bulbous gut full of sand (compaction)
Adult leos and sand..... not as much of a problem although compaction can and does still occur. If paper towels are not decorate enough for you.... slate looks fantastic and is readily available at your local Home Cheapot. If you care about the animal, why risk it's life? A simple question and hopefully theres an easy answer for you. I know I found mine the hard way.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I said, "My New Year's resolution is to NOT get involved with substrate wars anymore." I did not say I was discouraging substrate discussions. Your reaction to my comment is a perfect example of the exact reason I will not get involved in substrate wars.... they turn into WARS. Utilizing the 'SEARCH' funtion on this website will clearly prevent the perpetual sand debate.

Heck, we haven't even really discussed substrates in this thread yet without it already escalating into a conflict. Geeze.

 

[okapi]

"mean old gecko lady" ?
:laugh3: lol
Looks like someone thinks so now
I kept on sand for like a month but had to throw it all out when my first gecko got sick, from nematodes. And by the time I got that taken care of I was so used to changing paper that I just kept at it. And then my collection started to grow....

 

[marula]

The only reason I had been here at all is because i had been doing some reading on Cresteds and figured I would pop in the leo forum and this was the first post I saw. Thanks for reminding me why I DON'T come here

...i don't understand...but....a forum, generally, for me, is the place where tolking about own experience :main_huh: ...so why you don't accept others point of view?
some people here are more sensitive that others, expecially if some others people decided to put their animals at impaction risk...
i respect who say "i never had problem with sand", but if there are a small risk to lost a gecko for that, why don't use papertowel, newspaper, rock or rock-tile?
...i live in the middle of horses and cows paddocks..and there is only a street in fron of my house...sometime fast cars caming in this street (3-4 cars in a day)....this is the reason why i put the leash at all my dogs when i go outside...they have a good recall, the street in not really closer...but why take the risk?

 

[Ian S.]

impaction risk...

thats the word I couldn't think of....
:blush:

 

[marula]

ops .... sorry guys hahahahah

 

[ReptileMan27]

Thats a load of crap that people dont want to help novice keepers on these forums. I personally sign up on forums to for 2 reasons, to help people and to learn. This sand debate just keeps coming up, one ends and theirs a new one a week or so later. Maybe if we made these sand debates, a sticky ontop the forums, the novice keepers could see it and read it and decide for themselfs.

 

[Zbiz]

My leos care about 5 major things: food, water, warmth, sleep, and sex. They dont give a chicken nugget about what their cages look like. But i do. My display tanks are gorgeous and thats because i use materials that are not at all dangerous. Some people care too much on how a tank will look in their home and not the well being of their animals. And if he believes that animals arent healthy unless they live in lavish "natural" enclosures he obviously havent seen breeders like felicia, Kelli, Marcia and others who use breeding racks. Their animals are the healthiest things i have seen. I dont know who this guy is... but i think hes young, some 15 year old, set in his views. (I have owned lizards from all over the world, caught my attention)
Well at least we know here people get the right information from us.

 

[BalloonzForU]

The sand debate will go on for years and years and long after we are all dead! Yeah it's getting old and yes there are times I just want knock someone over their head when they insist that calci sand is good for leos, because "The Package" said so. However it does seem that we have this debate every couple of weeks in a new thread. Maybe if the sand debate was made into a sticky thread, it would help make it easier for newbies to see.

We all want to help new leo keepers, we were all newbies ourselves at one time. Heck I even feel like a newbie sometimes, especially when I start talking to Marcia and Kelli, man the knowledge I'd like to tap into in those two brains! It's inevitable that this topic brings out some heated talk, and I really think that is what we all want to avoid, not that we don't want to help new people that don't understand the risks of sand or loose substrates.

Edit: LOL Jason I didn't see your sticky comment!