B.E.E. and Black Hole

[paulnj]

I was not addressing anyone personally, but was speaking to past and future replies that seem to be taking this thread in a direction that wasn't intended.

I think that WE ALL have the right to call our animals what we choose, whether it be eclipse enigma or BEE as one example. I call my BEE a eclipse enigma personally and my eclipses aren't ABBYSINIANS to me, though a few might be... hahaha.

Sorry if you took it personally, as that wasn't my intention.

"3 splotches of grey" and "nose dot" was my humorous attempt at discribing the eclipse enigma(BEE) I have.

 

[paulnj]

yea there are adult "black holes" and none have been sold.

give me one for thanksgiving Matt, then that statement will still be true and I will be one step closer to my goal:main_laugh:

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I don't feel I was attacked, nor do I feel I attacked anyone else. I'm really just discussing the naming. Everyone has a right to call their cross whatever they want to call them, and I'll simply do the same. I think somewhere here I actually said that already. And with that, I'm finished with this discussion.

 

[eric]

yea there are adult "black holes" and none have been sold.

No photo? How disappointing!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

You know what? I am seriously confused about all the morph names, too. It was addressed in another thread awhile back, and it ended in chaos, bruised egos, and lost friendships. I am in a really cynical and jaded about this topic, and I am in a really crappy mood today dealing with GeckoForums and some of it's members crap.

The original poster's question is a legitimate question that many other members probably don't have the inclination or guts to ask. I think the question deserves a professional and honest answer... without all the other BS some of you seem to be compelled to throw in.

So, answer this all of you egostistical, competitive, and arrogant 'breeders':

What makes YOUR morph so much better than any one elses? What give YOU the right to name YOUR morph something special that somebody else has produced and already named? Who died and put any of YOU in charge of dictating what a morph is or isn't? How come you think you can post a photo of a 'new' morph as a hatchling and not keep track and/or post photos of it as it grows and develops into adulthood?

For Pete's sake, folks... we are ALL trying to keep up with all of this! If you've got something special, bully for you. But, when others ask for a simple explanation or answer to their question about it, why can't we simply answer the question without it being a contest? I am really disheartened and discouraged by all this extra chest-thumping crap that somehow keeps encroaching in to some of these discussions like this one.

So, put your proof where your mouth is, and let's start seeing some legitimate photos of these BEE's and Black Holes as adults so we can all learn how to tell what they are. I am sick of all the "Brown Holes" around this place.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

WOW. I just read my previous post. I apologize to all of you for my 'hissy-fit'. It was uncalled for, and I am sorry. I think I need to take my pain meds and go to bed now.

(Sometimes I really am a Mean Old Gecko Lady... )

 

[Halley]

(Sometimes I really am a Mean Old Gecko Lady... )

Your points where still legitimate. :main_thumbsup:

 

[Nigel4less]

WOW. I just read my previous post. I apologize to all of you for my 'hissy-fit'. It was uncalled for, and I am sorry. I think I need to take my pain meds and go to bed now.

(Sometimes I really am a Mean Old Gecko Lady... )

Sometimes... LOL :main_laugh:

 

[SaSobek]

You know what? I am seriously confused about all the morph names, too. It was addressed in another thread awhile back, and it ended in chaos, bruised egos, and lost friendships. I am in a really cynical and jaded about this topic, and I am in a really crappy mood today dealing with GeckoForums and some of it's members crap.

The original poster's question is a legitimate question that many other members probably don't have the inclination or guts to ask. I think the question deserves a professional and honest answer... without all the other BS some of you seem to be compelled to throw in.

So, answer this all of you egostistical, competitive, and arrogant 'breeders':

What makes YOUR morph so much better than any one elses? What give YOU the right to name YOUR morph something special that somebody else has produced and already named? Who died and put any of YOU in charge of dictating what a morph is or isn't? How come you think you can post a photo of a 'new' morph as a hatchling and not keep track and/or post photos of it as it grows and develops into adulthood?

For Pete's sake, folks... we are ALL trying to keep up with all of this! If you've got something special, bully for you. But, when others ask for a simple explanation or answer to their question about it, why can't we simply answer the question without it being a contest? I am really disheartened and discouraged by all this extra chest-thumping crap that somehow keeps encroaching in to some of these discussions like this one.

So, put your proof where your mouth is, and let's start seeing some legitimate photos of these BEE's and Black Holes as adults so we can all learn how to tell what they are. I am sick of all the "Brown Holes" around this place.

This is why I stopped trying to help people on here at all. I’m past tired of taking **** about the naming things, its like i said call them what you want. Jason said what they are and i just posted a link to the gecko wiki, and then the naming cut down thing started. (like it always dose) I wish I never hatched the gecko or named it.

This gecko truly is a black hole every single post that has ever been made about the gecko has turned to ****. Because of that, no I’m not going to take time to take a single other picture of the animal so i can be publicly drug across the floor again. it was on display at Daytona. If you want to know what it looks like it looks like a Mack enigma with solid black eyes a white nose, with lack of pattern going up the legs and that is what it is. And he looks like **** now because he has been be breeding to see if he is het albino

 

[Halley]

This is why I stopped trying to help people on here at all. I’m past tired of taking **** about the naming things, its like i said call them what you want. Jason said what they are and i just posted a link to the gecko wiki, and then the naming cut down thing started. (like it always dose) I wish I never hatched the gecko or named it.

This gecko truly is a black hole every single post that has ever been made about the gecko has turned to ****. Because of that, no I’m not going to take time to take a single other picture of the animal so i can be publicly drug across the floor again. it was on display at Daytona. If you want to know what it looks like it looks like a Mack enigma with solid black eyes a white nose, with lack of pattern going up the legs and that is what it is. And he looks like **** now because he has been be breeding to see if he is het albino

Well, Marcia did apologize for that post.

Saying that, after reading your post, and seeing your side-of-view, I would probably be pretty up-set as well.

I personally feel that these names help makes things easier, and I think the arguments on what they should be called are childlike. If you don’t like them don’t call them that, but there’s no reason to act like a high school girl and complain about everything you don’t agree with.

*Edit* After reading this I realized my last statement might have sounded like it was directed towards a certain person, I would like to make it clear that it isn’t, but is direct to the entire thread.

 

[Nigel4less]

Well, Marcia did apologize for this post.

Saying that, after reading your post, and seeing your side-of-view, I would probably be pretty up-set as well.

I personally feel that these names help makes things easier, and I think the arguments on what they should be called are childlike. If you don’t like them don’t call them that, but there’s no reason to act like a high school girl and complain about everything you don’t agree with.

*Edit* After reading this I realized my last statement might have sounded like it was directed towards a certain person, I would like to make it clear that it isn’t, but is direct to the entire thread.

Whats so difficult about saying Mack Snow Eclipse Enigma? It could be the M-C :main_laugh:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Matt, why on earth do you think I was singling YOU out with my rant? If it hits home for anyone, then that's not my problem. Also, I managed to get my rant across without breaking the TOS of this website with profanity, so why couldn't you?

 

[LeapinLizards]

All I want is to see an adult <INSERT YOUR NAME FOR THIS MORPH HERE>. I'm pretty sure that is what this thread started about. It really helps visual people (such as myself) when learning to differentiate between morphs

 

[Nigel4less]

All I want is to see an adult <INSERT YOUR NAME FOR THIS MORPH HERE>. I'm pretty sure that is what this thread started about. It really helps visual people (such as myself) when learning to differentiate between morphs

:main_yes::main_yes::main_yes: I would also like to see some Pictures of these "My Name Is" Geckos.

 

[SaSobek]

So, answer this all of you egostistical, competitive, and arrogant 'breeders':

What makes YOUR morph so much better than any one elses? What give YOU the right to name YOUR morph something special that somebody else has produced and already named? Who died and put any of YOU in charge of dictating what a morph is or isn't? How come you think you can post a photo of a 'new' morph as a hatchling and not keep track and/or post photos of it as it grows and develops into adulthood?

For Pete's sake, folks... we are ALL trying to keep up with all of this! If you've got something special, bully for you. But, when others ask for a simple explanation or answer to their question about it, why can't we simply answer the question without it being a contest? I am really disheartened and discouraged by all this extra chest-thumping crap that somehow keeps encroaching in to some of these discussions like this one.

So, put your proof where your mouth is, and let's start seeing some legitimate photos of these BEE's and Black Holes as adults so we can all learn how to tell what they are. I am sick of all the "Brown Holes" around this place.

so that wasn’t directed to me in any way? with the words you , your, black hole, B.E.E., posting pictures of babies and not adults.

last time i checked im the only one that.
1 posted baby pics of the black hole and not the adult
2 hatched, named, and proved it. (yes it was test breed before any of them leave here)
3 you having a problem with me because of a friendship (that isn’t ours) gone bad.

So who were you talking about there then "mean old gecko lady". I would love to know who that was directed to?

and yea i did say **** because i think that’s what this is a big pile of steaming or frozen (you pick) feces and I’m sick of it and yea I’m pissed that you just keep writing stuff that cuts me down in a public forum and I have no say in it at all. I have said many time call it what you want I don’t care. That is what I will call them. Love it or hate it that’s up to you .

If you have a problem with me. Why don’t you pick up the phone and call me. Here is my # 814 496 9370. I would be more then happy to talk to you . That goes for every one if you want to know why I do something get a hold of me and I will tell you why.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Matt, I apologized... and I meant it. I can understand why you are pissed off and might feel picked on. I will be in better control of myself and more fair in the future.

 

[Gazz]

give me one for thanksgiving Matt, then that statement will still be true and I will be one step closer to my goal:main_laugh:

If he was to give you one.Then he still wouldn't have*SOLD*any.You'll have to send some money his way :main_laugh::main_laugh:.Beings your friends try asking for mates rates :main_thumbsup:.Then he's sold one and your happy.

 

[paulnj]

Matt is a person I know from shows, we do not see eachother outside the shows.... not "friends" persay

 

[SaSobek]

here is what you wanted to see i hope this lets you see that there is a difference. these geckos are all in the 20 gram range and have the adult pattern to them.

black hole, mack eclipse, B.E.E.


top mack eclipse, B.E.E. black hole, bottom normal eclipse.


black hole (top) and a mack eclipse (bottom)


Left B.E.E. right Eclipse


by now you can tell :main_thumbsup:


Black hole close ups


Adult male you can see the white on the nose better


black hole in the back mack eclipse in the front


left B.E.E. right Black hole.


and yes there is a difference in mack enigmas as well.
left "bold pattern" mack enigma, top "hypo" mack enigma, right Black hole, and bottom is a super snow enigma.


again call them what you want:main_thumbsup:

 

[supperl]

thx for the pics