Confused about mack gene?

James Lamantia

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If I am under the right understanding the mack gene is considered co-dominate, correct? That means that the animal would have to show the gene is order for it to be considered a mack and you can’t have het-macks. Correct me if I am wrong because, I am just trying to understand how this is occurring, I have a breeding group of female tangs that I breeded with mack sunglow enigma. I have produced three SS from this pairing. At first I thought I had labeled something wrong but not after the other two. I keep thinking I am missing something and thought someone might be able to help me out. I am posting pictures of the females so you can see. Let me know what you think.
 

Enigmatic_Reptiles

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In order for them to be producing SS one of the females would have to be a Mack. Looking at those 3 girls the only one which I think could be a Mack would be the one in the middle. The other ones exhibit too much carrot tail for it to be a mack and someone not openly sell/label it as such. The one in the middle would be a very nice Creamsicle if that is indeed a Mack. Did you produce her? Do you by chance have pics of her as a hatchling? Do you have other pairings which could have been mixed up either during egg collection or incubating that could have resulted in an accidental mislabeling/ID of eggs? Either way I would be happy to find out I had a Snow when I wasn't expecting it lol.
 

James Lamantia

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I have other stuff that I could be producing SS and when I hatched me first SS from this group I thought, I must have mislabeled something. The thing is I have produced two more SS and one is a SS enigma. The other group that could be producing them has no enigma in it so I am positive the babies came from this group. I try to keep good records and couldn’t figure out how I mislabeled the first one and then the two more after that confirmed I didn’t mislabeled anything. The first two girls came from a breeder that is on this site and I can’t believe he didn’t realize what he had. The other one came from another breeder but I believe it originally came from the same guy. Don’t get me wrong, I am not upset about this at all, I just don’t see the mack in them and I know it must be somewhere. Anybody else see the mack in the one of the girls.
 

James Lamantia

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Sorry, I didn’t realize you asked to see the babies. Unfortunately the other two have gone to other breeder’s but this is the one that I have left. It defiantly looks SS. The breeder’s told me both of the other ones where SS as well. They told me both parents must be mack but I can’t get them to tell me what one it is. Let me know what your think.
 

Gazz

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Sorry, I didn’t realize you asked to see the babies. Unfortunately the other two have gone to other breeder’s but this is the one that I have left. It defiantly looks SS. The breeder’s told me both of the other ones where SS as well. They told me both parents must be mack but I can’t get them to tell me what one it is. Let me know what your think.

Well if you've not mix up eggs'etc, Then one of you breeder female is also a snow, These days it's not really surprising. The main ID point for Snows is as hatchling as they can change so much as they mature.

The leo below is a Super hypo snow'etc, Also known as a Creamsicle. To the eye looks nothing like what you'd call a Snow type. But it is on a genetic leval it's all snow. So now you need to work out which girl of your is the Super hypo snow type.

Bred by JMG Reptiles.
http://www.jmgreptile.com/cimages/Creamsicle014.jpg

Link to page.
http://www.jmgreptile.com/cremesicles.html
 

justindh1

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I guess one way to really find out if they are both indeed super snow is to test breed this female to a 100% non snow. If 100% snows come out then indeed both are snows.
 

James Lamantia

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Thanks everyone

I am trying to rearrange everyone so they all have there own bins next year. Then I will know the one producing them. I am sure they are SS but I just cant see the mack gene in any of the females. I was hopping somebody on this site would be able to see something I am missing. I know it is easier to tell when they are babies but unfortunately I got them the way you see them, as adults. I have an issue...I like to know what I have. It has been bothering me not knowing and figured maybe someone hear could tell me. Thanks anyways for all of the responses It looks like I have some test breeding to do next year.
 

RampantReptiles

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Cant you get more info from the original breeder you got them from?
Maybe hatchling pics of your females or what were the morphs of the parents? Pics of their parents?

It just seems like you havent explored every avenue just yet.
 

James Lamantia

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Both breeders have already told me that they don't process the Mack gene. I understand that somebody is wrong and one if them has Mack in it. I went to them when the first one hatched. That's when they told me I must of labeled something wrong. So this was my last chance to figure it out with out test breeding next year. I just thought that somebody might catch something that I missed. thanks again...looks like I will just have to wait and see.
 

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