Curly Tail Leo

[PDoogle]

Interesting.. what internal issues do yo know of that accompany the albino morph? I'd like to read more about that. BTW your genetics leads are panning out to be quite interesting.

Albinism has a host of problems associated with it, In her book Animals in Translation, Temple Grandin goes into a lot of detail about why albino or nearly albino animals make bad pets and unpredicatable livestock, due to their neurological problems.

Albino animals also have a much greater chance of being deaf, due to the lack of pigment in the ear canal during development causes nerve ends to die and the 'hairs' to fall out.

They are prone to vision disorders, related to and unrelated to hypersensitivity to light, (there are a ton of vision issues I won't bore you with)

And also has immunological disorders such as CHS which were are seeing in more and more frequency in white lab mice (once thought to be perfect for testing, now we realize they have less protein receptors, therefor less useful) But there are a host of immunological orders as well.

I'm sure I'm missing more, but those are all i can think of atm.

Needless to say, Albinism has its associated health risks.

(off topics, genetics is fascinating stuff!)

 

[PDoogle]

Erica, I think Jordan was referring to Leos with curly tails that then drop their tails... I might be wrong but that was my assumption.

True to be told, I have absolutely no idea. I would hypothesize it would regenerate without the curly. I'm guessing the genetics that form the curl are active during development, but that the regen process is somewhat different, hence the reason regen tails look so much different than their original tails. I would love to find out the true answer, fascinating question!

Unfortunately (or fortunately!) I wouldn't want to meet the person to test it unless it happened by accident.

I would really like to find out how often this mutation is occurring, and from what bloodlines. There is a much bigger story here than we are giving credit to.

 

[prettyinpink]

Yea probably lol! Sorry I was tired when I read it. :sleeping:
Didn't really think about it...Now I wonder the same thing

 

[Dog Shrink]

Albinism has a host of problems associated with it, In her book Animals in Translation, Temple Grandin goes into a lot of detail about why albino or nearly albino animals make bad pets and unpredicatable livestock, due to their neurological problems.

Albino animals also have a much greater chance of being deaf, due to the lack of pigment in the ear canal during development causes nerve ends to die and the 'hairs' to fall out.

They are prone to vision disorders, related to and unrelated to hypersensitivity to light, (there are a ton of vision issues I won't bore you with)

And also has immunological disorders such as CHS which were are seeing in more and more frequency in white lab mice (once thought to be perfect for testing, now we realize they have less protein receptors, therefor less useful) But there are a host of immunological orders as well.

I'm sure I'm missing more, but those are all i can think of atm.

Needless to say, Albinism has its associated health risks.

(off topics, genetics is fascinating stuff!)

A lot of the instances you stated are mammal related... with leos being reptiles and completely different do you believe they still run the same risk of problems in the albino animals? I was aware of some of the risks to mammals from albinoism but as many have pointed out to me you can't take the kowledge you have of mammals and apply it to reptiles.

 

[Jordan]

Erica, I think Jordan was referring to Leos with curly tails that then drop their tails... I might be wrong but that was my assumption.

True to be told, I have absolutely no idea. I would hypothesize it would regenerate without the curly. I'm guessing the genetics that form the curl are active during development, but that the regen process is somewhat different, hence the reason regen tails look so much different than their original tails. I would love to find out the true answer, fascinating question!

Unfortunately (or fortunately!) I wouldn't want to meet the person to test it unless it happened by accident.

I would really like to find out how often this mutation is occurring, and from what bloodlines. There is a much bigger story here than we are giving credit to.

Haha yes i was talking about curly tailed leo's but thank you anyway Erica.

I too would say that it would regen without the curl, most regens dont grow long enough to even be able to curl.
So if the gecko was to accidentally lose their tail it would kind of spoil the fact its a curly tail. However it would still be able to produce curly tail offspring if acting like a recessive.

However if somone was to look into the effects of the curly tails and test whether or not the trait is or isnt detromental to the health i suppose its one thing that would be interesting to look at.
But as you mention that person will have to be mean lol.

i agree with you that there is much to look at here, and im begginning to be quite fascinated by it, if i had the money, equipment and know how id be very interested in doing my own research and testing with the curly tails.

It makes me wonder though, if the tail grows back looking like a normal regen, how many are out there unidentified as curly tails due to the fact that they dont have the curly tail.
Personally i never buy geckos with a regrown tail, it could have been kinked or anything the first time round. And this is just another danger added to the list of buying and breeding a gecko without its original tail.

 

[M_surinamensis]

http://geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=114613&postcount=29

The post that always ends up being difficult to find using the search engine for some reason. The results of a case where curly tailed leopard geckos were intentionally produced.

I don't really want to re-write things I have already said in the other threads that have been linked in this one about how there can be multiple causes for a single visual symptom or condition- so just assume that all applies here too.

There aren't more examples because generally someone comes along to discuss the potential negative ramifications and convinces the prospective breeder not to follow through. Curiosity or naivety sometimes win out and the results are often bad. Sometimes there's no readily apparent impact, although stealth propagation of such traits is more insidious and frightening than the overt reproduction. The ones that seem normal often get sold without any form of reasonable lineage and disclosure.