Eclipse Or Not Eclipse, That is the question!

[ofek]

So...back to the little girl, what do you think, is she eclipse or not?
could she be eclipse without the white nose?
please look at the pictures and tell me your opinion...
thank you!

right eye:

left eye:

and the nose...

 

[medeski]

correct me if im wrong, but i thought eclipse had to have solid black eyes? really nice looking leo though

 

[ofek]

Actually, no. Just like the sun can be fully eclipsed or partially eclipsed, so can the eye. It can be a full eclipse of the eye, causing a clean black cover or partial cover that gives the "snake eye" phenotype. while in non albino leos it will appear as a black cover, in albinos (like the girl above) it will be a redish cover.

 

[medeski]

do you do this as a hobby or do you sell them? i have a patternless rainwater male that im trying to pair this year, but with what i havent decided, and am open to suggestions.

 

[ofek]

This isn't relevant to the thread's subject so either PM me ot open a new thread with your questions.
sorry...

 

[Kristi23]

Doesn't look like an eclipse to me.

 

[OneFootedAce]

I agree with Kristi. I dont think it's an eclipse.

 

[richardrojas]

She doesn't seem to be an eclipse.

 

[ofek]

that's what I thought. Now the question is: What is going on with the eyes? It's definitely NOT normal. they are both cloudy in a strange way I've never seen before. Can you see that or the pics aren't good enough?

 

[IslaReina]

Really cool bell I'm not sure about the eyes though, maybe they're just unique lol

 

[Northstar Herp]

Sorry to throw in a monkey wrench, but the eclipse gene can be totally unseen in the eye. Ask TonyC, he's hatched some. He posted it in a thread, but I can't remember how to find it.

 

[Kristi23]

Sorry to throw in a monkey wrench, but the eclipse gene can be totally unseen in the eye. Ask TonyC, he's hatched some. He posted it in a thread, but I can't remember how to find it.

I have hatched some eclipse with regular eyes, too. I can tell by the white nose and the genetics.

 

[Northstar Herp]

In your experience, is the white nose 100 percent accurate all the time or have you seen some that don't have it?

 

[Kristi23]

In your experience, is the white nose 100 percent accurate all the time or have you seen some that don't have it?

I've never hatched one without it.

 

[fuzzylogix]

i see what you mean about the "shading" in the eye. i have a gecko that i had bryan jett look at for the same reason. but without at least one of those traits, either eclipse eyes or the trademark white nose, i would have to agree this isn't an eclipse. as far as i know though, the white nose is infallible. every eclipse i have ever seen or own has that trait.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Is it possible that a het eclipse may show unusual eyes but not definitely eclipse looking, in which case test breeding would be necessary to prove out?

 

[fuzzylogix]

i don't think the heterozygous traits are visual in leopard geckos, but i guess it could be possible. i've heard of visual hets in snakes. this is what is so much fun about our hobby. you never know what is going to hatch and breeding keeps evolving. very cool to be part of this.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Hopefully someone can confirm something!

 

[ofek]

i see what you mean about the "shading" in the eye. i have a gecko that i had bryan jett look at for the same reason. but without at least one of those traits, either eclipse eyes or the trademark white nose, i would have to agree this isn't an eclipse. as far as i know though, the white nose is infallible. every eclipse i have ever seen or own has that trait.

I don't think she's eclipse for the same reasons,though I think we may deal with a new (or not) mutation in the eye appearance.
First of all, I have to get better pics with someone else's camera because mine sucks...
second, I'll have to see how her offspring look like and maybe to prove the genetics. If someone else has a leo that show something similar, I'd love to see some pics.