Enginmas a Dom morph?

[SaSobek]

MichaelJ
im sure the only people that have them, know they have them. its just one of those things that you dont get it confused. Mark bell is keeping good tabs on them all im sure. He only lets them go for what they are. you are not going to find one in a random batch at the local pet store. you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning and being attacked by a shark in the same day. it would be cool if you just found one but i just dont think you would.

 

[Gregg M]

MichaelJ
im sure the only people that have them, know they have them. its just one of those things that you dont get it confused.

I agree 100%. You either have an enigma and know it or you do not have one at all.

It is nice to think that an animal you bought from the Bells might be carrying this gene. Hey, I dream of winning the lotto. LOL. I would say the odds of someone having an enigma and not knowing it is slim to none.

 

[eyelids]

It is nice to think that an animal you bought from the Bells might be carrying this gene. Hey, I dream of winning the lotto. LOL. I would say the odds of someone having an enigma and not knowing it is slim to none.

Of course back when I first suspected of having such an animal I was just guessing. However, after hatching several Albinos from her that developed black spots my guess became justified. It's not only the spotting, but also the eyes. The Black Spot Bell's eyes are very different from normal Bell eyes and like the Enigmas, each gecko has varying degrees of "marbling" to their eyes. They look a lot like Enigma eyes, but with the normal Bell pigmentation on top. I also have three non Albino offspring from her and they exhibit the same spotting and the unusual eyes.

What really has me believing is the similarity I discovered between my Black Spots and the "Albino Enigma" Mark had at NARBC Tinley Park.

If you look closely at the first band you'll see the peculiar spotting that my BSBs have...
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Here's a picture of my best BSB...
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This is the best I can do for an eye shot...
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It's my opinion that the "Albino Enigma" is actually what I'm calling a Black Spot Bell. I bet it doesn't have the red eyes and actually has eyes similar to what I described for my BSBs.

At this point I am 99% sure that I'll hatch Enigmas from them based on their uniqueness and background. I'm thinking that it'll work out like het x het and that I'll get 25% Enigmas when doing BSB x BSB. I'm not so sure on BSB x Special Mom though.

I have a lot of faith in this project and would not be so public about it if I didn't. I am prepared to be ridiculed and I welcome your criticism.

Edited the first part because I think it was wrong to assume Gregg was talking about me. If you didn't see what I typed it went like this...

I'm assuming that is directed at me because I haven't seen anyone else post about having an animal they bought from the Bell's that might be carrying the gene. I'm not offended one bit, but have to try and back myself up.

 

[Gregg M]

420, this is the post that my post was directed to... The Enigmas came from the Bell line as I am certain you know...

Thats like asking do we know how many people actually have a mix of pitbull. Enigmas are fairly rare; but how many people have them and don't know it is another question. I bought a true blizzard and the guy told me it was a carrot tail.

Believe me, if it was directed to you, I would have stated so... LOL

I dont pull punches...:main_thumbsup:

After doing a search on your posts about the BSBs I can see why you would think it was directed at you...

Honestly, I dont think you have Enigmas (too much albinism is expressed on the body and no wicked red eyes) but you MIGHT have something different... As far as "particular spotting" goes I do not think it is an indication of anything... It is not out of the ordinary for dark spots to be on albinos... Just my honest opinion...Very nice leos by the way...

Also, have you spoken with Kelli about this??? I think you might be a bit mixed up on how these genetics are working...

The way I understand it is that the red eyed Enigmas are the albino form... The albino gene is only expressed in the eyes and not on the body... That is what makes these genetics so special and different than anything else out there...

 

[eyelids]

I don't think I have Enigmas either... I think the BSBs could be a "het" form of Enigmas.

I have tried to contact Kelli, but she doesn't reply and that's totally cool. If I were her I'd be annoyed by all of the BSB = het Enigma crap I splattered around her forum. The answer is right in front of my face... Enigmas are dominant there's no seperate het form. That's cool, but Enigmas didn't just appear out of thin air. The gene is out there. Maybe there's other stuff involved in them, but nothing has surfaced because the Enigma project is still so small or information is being held back (which is cool don't get me wrong). My BSBs could be like Lesser Enigmas or something... LOL...

I totally understand the explanations that have been given on Enigma genetics. I say explanations because we can't truly say that their genetics are understood, but I do agree with what is known so far.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Alright Mike, I'll bite. I think your nuttier than a trailmix.

You say that you think that you have het enigmas, yet you also say that you understand that there is no het enigma.

Yep, your cracked out.


I'm just teasing you of course. Your bsb's are unique and I hope they throw you something unexpected. Good luck. :main_thumbsup:

 

[eyelids]

Alright Mike, I'll bite. I think your nuttier than a trailmix.

You say that you think that you have het enigmas, yet you also say that you understand that there is no het enigma.

Yep, your cracked out.


I'm just teasing you of course. Your bsb's are unique and I hope they throw you something unexpected. Good luck. :main_thumbsup:

LOL! These things have really driven me nuts! It'll be at least 4 months before I can prove them out and the waiting is killing me.

Thanks Jeremy! I really hope they give me something cool.

 

[SaSobek]

420 it will all be worth the wait. i hope the best for the project too. we all could use some more morphs to keep us busy

 

[eyelids]

Thanks Matt! I hear ya!

 

[SaSobek]

wait till you see what will pop out here this year

 

[Gregg M]

Enigmas are dominant there's no seperate het form. That's cool, but Enigmas didn't just appear out of thin air. The gene is out there.

Actually thats how it goes with genetic mutations... The do just appear out of thin air... Blizzards, patternless, albinos, snows, enigmas, and so on, are genetic mutations that just came out of no where...

Lets say, you have a male and a female leopard gecko that are not het for anything... You breed them together... There is a chance something never seen before can "pop" out like a new albino strain or a melanistic or some other odd color mutation...

If you hatch out Enigmas from your BSBs, I will eat my hat... I have a feeling that my head gear will be pretty safe though...:main_laugh:

Anyway, good luck with your project... I hope you hatch something out that is not an enigma, but something that is all its own!!!:main_thumbsup:

 

[BalloonzForU]

I will eat my hat...

Now that would be a sight! :main_evilgrin:

 

[eyelids]

Anyway, good luck with your project... I hope you hatch something out that is not an enigma, but something that is all its own!!!:main_thumbsup:

Now that's what I'm talking about Gregg!

If I didn't get the mother from Mark prior to Enigmas appearing and then hatching Bells with weird eyes and black spots I would not even imagine hatching Enigmas from my BSBs. Sadly the stupid :main_laugh: Enigmas showed up and they're all I can think about. If I hatched something new it'd be so awesome! I want a purple gecko with red eyes!!

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

I want a purple gecko with red eyes!!

Ooh, put me on the list for one of them!!!! lol

 

[eyelids]

Ooh, put me on the list for one of them!!!! lol

You're #1! :main_laugh:

 

[Ian S.]

Mike, you already know my position with your BSB's. They do appear to be very speckled. Which just so happens to be an extremely common trait for the het blizzards. I think the eye shot looks fairly normal. I'd try breeding them to some blizzards and see what comes about. Either way you'll have double het bell blazings to work with.

 

[eyelids]

The BSBs aren't het for Blizzard...

EDIT: Well it is possible since the mother came from Mark, but for 9 out of 11 babies to show these traits it doesn't seem possible unless I got really good odds.