Enigma Genetics help

[bench]

I was just wondering what the outcomes would be if:

Enigma x Bell hybino

Enigma x SHTCTB

Enigma X Blizzard

Also the enigma isn't Het. anything(so i was told)

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

-Thanks

 

[Sandra]

If it isn't reall het anything, you would get:

Enigma x Bell hybino: 50% enigmas and 50% normals, with some hypo influence. All of them would be het Bell albino.

Enigma x SHTCTB: 50% enigmas and 50% normals, with some SHTCT influence.

Enigma X Blizzard: 50% enigmas and 50% normals, all het Blizzard.

 

[bench]

Thanks

 

[2.1SRR.YYC]

Is your enigma a heterozygous enigma (single copy) or homozygous (double copy) enigma?

It makes a big difference...

het Enigma X Blizzard
50% Het. Blizzard
50% Het. Enigma, Het. Blizzard

homo Enigma X Blizzard
100% Het. Enigma, Het. Blizzard

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

I have been wondering this for some time, is the enigma trait dom or recessive?

 

[Sandra]

It is dominant. I assumed that Eric's enigma was heterozygous because virtually no one breeds enigma to enigma. Steve is right, a homozygous enigma breed to any of those geckos would throw 100% enigma hets, that are enigma looking.

 

[bench]

I guess the enigma is het.enigma because its parents are an enigma and a normal.

 

[randy p]

If you pick it up from Two Monsters Its Bell .

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

How can something be het for a Dom gene? Sorry i just didn't know if that would be possible.

 

[Sandra]

How can something be het for a Dom gene? Sorry i just didn't know if that would be possible.

Take a look at this post
http://www.geckoforums.net/showpost.php?p=279507&postcount=29

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

So when you say Enigma het Enigma is really just like saying Normal Het Normal. Maybe i'm still not quite understanding how the Enigma het Enigma works.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Thank you Sandra for being understanding for my lack of understanding

 

[thestack510]

I understand fully what het means. I am slill not convinced something can be het for Enigma. Do you have any evidence that an Enigma can be produced from "het" Enigmas? I don't think your idea can be supported. I have several Enigmas myself, along with several siblings who are not Enigmas, if one of the non-enigma siblings creates an Enigma you might have something. What was said above is correct, something cannot be het for a dominant trait, that's why you'll never see a het Super Snow or a het Enigma. Ask around, you'll see.

 

[Sandra]

So when you say Enigma het Enigma is really just like saying Normal Het Normal. Maybe i'm still not quite understanding how the Enigma het Enigma works.

Well, I guess you could say that. It may look to you like it's stupid to make a difference between homozygous enigmas and the heterozygous enigmas if they look the same, but it is not the same.

Think of albinos. A normal het albino x normal would give you 50% pure normals and 50% normal looking albino hets. A homozygous albino x normal would give you 100% normal looking albino hets.

The sames happens with enigmas, the difference is that the enigma gene dominates over the normal gene, and that's why when they encounter (in the heterozygote, that carries one enigma allele and one normal allele), it has enigma appearance and not normal.

So, if you breed a het. enigma to a normal, you get 50% het enigmas (that look like enigmas themselves) and 50% normals. If you breed a homozygous enigma to a normal, you would get 100% het enigmas, that look like enigmas. The results change quite a bit!

But since you don't need to breed enigma x enigma to obtain enigmas, people usually prefer to outcross them to other morphs, that's why most enigmas out there are hets.

Ken, if you think like that, it is because you don't fully understand what het means People in the reptile hobby misuse this word.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

well that's exactly what i mean, the post that i was refered to didn't make sense to me as well that is why i was attempting to clarify. Maybe i'm just being really slow right now and something just isn't clicking like it should.

 

[thestack510]

My point is that I don't believe that an animal that doesn't show the Enigma trait outright can produce Enigma offspring, have you done it? I doubt it. I know the difference between homozygous and heterozygous and you're straying away from my meaning, although I may have misspoken. No need for lessons from you. Thanks for your input though. Have you ever produced an Enigma from two "hets" that didn't outwardly show the Enigma trait?

 

[thestack510]

I really think we are looking past each others meanings, at least you're looking past mine. To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a normal looking animal that is het for the Enigma trait. Do you see what I'm getting at?

 

[paulnj]

Sorry, but who proved an enigma to be a "homozygous" animal.. EVER?

Thus far Enigma X "anything" make 50% "anything" , 50% enigma het "anything". Until someone proves you can have a "homo" or "het" enigma..... it's just a unfounded theory.

I am not saying it couldn't be true, but I have never seen proof of that theory.

 

[bench]

If you pick it up from Two Monsters Its Bell .

I guess its het.bell because that is who i picked it up off

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

hmmm wow from my stupidity it spurs all of this, i'm really sorry guys. maybe i'll have to just buy an enigma and play mad scientist and see what happens.