Enigma Genetics help

[thestack510]

That would be fun. You'll get half Enigmas, so pick a good cross and let's see what you come up with. Finding a hatchling in the incubator is great. I wouldn't say you're stupid, just still learning, as we all are.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

well i'm currently obtaining males and females for the following groups that i'm interested in breeding.

Bell group
Red Stripe
RAPTOR
Snows
Tangerine's

i think this winter i will be saving money getting weight on the Juv's that i have as well as looking around attempting to find other geckos to fill my groups out. Plus i can't buy anything till May or June since the one bedroom apartment isn't exactly the best place to attempt breeding projects. wish me luck cause man o man i'm very impatient.

 

[Sandra]

I really think we are looking past each others meanings, at least you're looking past mine. To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a normal looking animal that is het for the Enigma trait. Do you see what I'm getting at?

You are right, but I never said that there is such thing as a normal het enigma. Enigma hets ARE enigma looking. That's what it means to be a dominant mutation. If the hets looked normal, it would be recessive.

I'm sorry for you, that you are not willing to take lessons from anyone. Then just keep your mistaken definition of het with you forever. At least I know what I'm talking about

Sorry, but who proved an enigma to be a "homozygous" animal.. EVER?

Thus far Enigma X "anything" make 50% "anything" , 50% enigma het "anything". Until someone proves you can have a "homo" or "het" enigma..... it's just a unfounded theory.

I am not saying it couldn't be true, but I have never seen proof of that theory.

I just can rely on people that have studied them as I haven't bred them myself and don't plan on ever breeding enigma x enigma. I supose that when Kelli said that it was dominant, she did her homework.

If it is dominant, it will work like this. If not, then it is not dominant.

You can have homos and hets from all mutations. The het is a fact, we just need an homo enigma to prove it is truly dominant.

 

[randy p]

Did you pick up a red eye .

 

[bench]

No, I picked up a male and only the females were red eye.

 

[randy p]

can you post a pick ?

 

[bench]

Here he is

 

[snared99]

I read this thread and have no clue what you guys are talking about/arguing about...lol I have had the HONOR of working with enimga the past season and hatch enough of them to say in our findings it is a dominent gene.
I agree with paul it is just a theory, which could be right/or could be wrong. But it wouldnt explain why a animal bred to ANY animal out there produces 50% enigmas. Does this mean every non enigma in the world is actually het enigma?? I think not.

 

[Sandra]

Does this mean every non enigma in the world is actually het enigma?? I think not.

No, on the contrary, it means any enigma out there is actually het enigma.

 

[snared99]

im sorry but that makes no sense to me, all enigmas are actually het enigmas??? Then what does a "real" enigma look like in that situation. Please explain this to me. Does it mean t hat every codom snow is het for snow??Or how about every giant het for giant??

 

[paulnj]

I do believe that "het" is being used to say one copy of the gene is carried, which would be correct in a dom morph which enigmas seem to be. I never gave much thought to what kind of dominance an enigma is to be honest, but do fully undrstand how they reproduce.

Seems to me that enigma X enigma would need to be crossed to prove if they can carry 2 copies of the gene in the offsprng and breed to produce 100% enigma.

I honestly can't think of any way to disprove the theory though.

 

[MSMD]

I do believe that "het" is being used to say one copy of the gene is carried, which would be correct in a dom morph which enigmas seem to be. I never gave much thought to what kind of dominance an enigma is to be honest, but do fully undrstand how they reproduce.

Seems to me that enigma X enigma would need to be crossed to prove if they can carry 2 copies of the gene in the offsprng and breed to produce 100% enigma.

I honestly can't think of any way to disprove the theory though.

:main_yes: This is what I believe Sandra is trying to explain. Basically, to understand, think of the Mack Snow gene. A het animal is a Mack Snow--only one copy of the gene. A homozygous animal, in this case, is the Mack Super Snow--two copies of the gene. However, both animals physically 'show' the Mack Snow gene. Though, in Enigmas, it is thought that there is no physical difference in appearance between the het and homo animals.....

Just thought I would help clarify what I understand her to be trying to explain.

 

[Sandra]

I do believe that "het" is being used to say one copy of the gene is carried

As long as I know, there is no other meaning to "het".

And yes that is what I was trying to say. I didn't think I expressed myself so badly

 

[paulnj]

You were correct in your thinking, but literally you can't have a het for enigma and that was how some could read it to say.

No harm done , I just wanted to make sure that people don't think you can have a "super form" and get 100% enigma offspring..... until that theory is proven to be correct.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

So what you're saying is that Normal is actually Het for Normal and a MS is het for MS? Has anyone actually bred an Enigma to an Enigma? i know everyone is so worried about the neurological issues and such, but come on doesn't everyone want to play Dr. Moreau.

 

[paulnj]

So what you're saying is that Normal is actually Het for Normal and a MS is het for MS? Nobody said this and that is an incorrect statement on both counts

Has anyone actually bred an Enigma to an Enigma? i know everyone is so worried about the neurological issues and such, but come on doesn't everyone want to play Dr. Moreau.
It has been done by a few and 50% enigmas were hatched

Let's just say I have 13 female enigmas with no father in mind yet...I will cross atleast one myself

 

[thestack510]

Lesson learned...

I'm sorry for you, that you are not willing to take lessons from anyone. Then just keep your mistaken definition of het with you forever. At least I know what I'm talking about

I guess we'll wait an see what the future yields. I meant no harm by the "lesson" comment, only to say if you haven't done it then you're only speaking theoretically. You were speaking in terms of homozygous and heterozygous Enigmas and I was speaking in terms of a non-enigma "het" for the trait. You are straying from my meaning. I understand you, but you're not making an effort to understand me.

 

[eyelids]

Ah you gotta love Enigmas and all the craziness that comes up when people ask a simple question... Sandra I totally understand what you're saying and it makes sense to me... Proving that theory will take a lot of work, but I know people are doing it... To be honest though, when would you deviate from just being lucky to actually ''proving'' one to be ''homozygous''? I don't think just producing 100% Enigmas is enough... You'd have to breed your speculated ''homozygous'' Enigma to known ''het'' Enigmas... Then breed their offspring to non Enigmas hoping that 50% of them produce 100% Enigmas...

 

[thestack510]

If as Paul said it has been done and it only yielded 50% Enigmas than that leads me to believe that there is no Super form of Enigma, though the Enigma offspring would have to be tested. Any knowledge of that having been done Paul?

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Well could any of the DNA be proven out through blood work? i have some contacts at a State College near my house in the Biology Dept which has a Genetics lab.