Extremely Disgusting Find ***Contains disturbing images***

[prettyinpink]

Ugh I just can't believe this guy. Just people like this leave me breath-less. It's one thing if you're going to practice...like seamus said, but that's not this. He's taking pics of DEAD leos being shaped to look 'funny'...sick sick sicK!!!!!!!

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Wow- I got tired of looking at all the photos and didn't go thru the entire album. Different cultures are......... different.

 

[prettyinpink]

Wow- I got tired of looking at all the photos and didn't go thru the entire album. Different cultures are......... different.

That's for sure! :main_no: I don't even know if 'cultures' is it...could just be him

 

[Tony C]

Hey Melissa, could you before you're about to post disturbing images put a warning (right before the pic). Not just in the begining. Because I like reading your posts

I added a warning to the thread title as well.

 

[Jordan]

In the second picture there are clearly two people, so there is obviously someone he may share this interest with.

 

[Joao]

I wouldn't bring culture into this. It might play a tiny role, but I think the main problem is the person doing these things.

 

[Dog Shrink]

I think culture has a lot to do with it. Other societies simply don't regard the value of animal life as anythng worth spit. There are many cultures that think letting a dog live in your house is a disgusting morally reprehensible offense, whereas we think it's perfectly fine. Others think cows are sacred whereas we call 'em dinner, Some may think it's ok to turn your dead lizards into finger puppets and put them on display or show pix of our sub-par "necropsy" for everyone to see, we as an animal loving culture hellbent on doing right by every animal we meet may be repulsed by that where as others may see the shoddy necros and be like "neat", but sloppy... Culture has a lot to do with that gauge of someone's moral compass. It wasn't meant as an insult.

 

[Joao]

Just because people in other countries can't have the luxury of pets like we do doesn't mean they filet them and play with their skin. I come from a very very poor town in Portugal, and most people don't treat dogs the way they do in America... ill give you that, but the people who own them treat them with as much love and respect as they can. They roam the streets but always come back for a meal and their shelters. Just because they aren't allowed to live indoors doesn't mean they treated like crap and experimented on. The people who do abuse their animals are just rotten people and that has little to do with culture.

I get your point and im not denying that culture has a strong influence on your morals, but we know nothing about this person or where they live. So to draw conclusions and say that it's the Indonesia culture that made him do it is ignorant in my eyes. Search online and I'm sure you will see similar things from all over the world including american.

I know there are a few people on here from Indonesia who I would love to hear from.. Im sure they slice their gecko's up as well and absolutely adore that guys facebook updates...

 

[M_surinamensis]

Ok Seamus, now you have a better understanding of where i'm coming from...

Yep, that will about do it.

I'm also inclined to agree that there is more there of a negative nature than simply choosing the wrong venue.

I do have some photos (slides actually) of deceased animals. Photos I took for my own edification or that were intended to be shared with extremely select audiences, in tightly controlled situations. D.O.R. finds because they are still potentially interesting from a location standpoint. Some animals that have been dissected for anatomy study or as documentation of some of my forays into necropsy. They do not get shared with the general public however. If they get shown to anyone else at all, it is always selective, to other individuals who have an interest in the biology or the field herping or who are qualified to offer an educated opinion. I'm conscious of the potential for misunderstanding, paranoid about it to the point where the slides themselves are covered in numbered notes linking them to more detailed explanations.

In theory, I might present them to a broader audience, but even that would necessitate control. If there were anything in them (there really isn't) that were of importance to a wider audience of zoologists or veterinarians, I might, might be willing to show them during a lecture or in the right kind of publication. It's not going to happen because there's very little in there that is new or unique or of interest to anyone other than me, but it's at least theoretically possible.

Definitely not facebook. Definitely not without a thorough and professional presentation.

The second I see "autopsy" photos taking place on a saucer, it loses any explanation I might have been willing to consider. If someone is going to cut open their deceased pets, the very least they can do is invest two dollars in a proper set of dissection tools.

Just so it doesn't get misunderstood here- I have a zoology background. I have some degrees (that I don't use professionally, for I am a slackass) and enough understanding of the underlying biology to comprehend what I am finding if I choose to do any analysis myself. Even then though, I never undertake such projects or choose to do such work myself if there is reason why a veterinary analysis would be warranted. I do fecal examinations to satisfy my own interest on animals that have normal appearing bowel movements and are not experiencing any anorexia or weight loss. I perform some necropsy work or dissection only when the animal in question was in quarantine conditions or if I chose to euthanize them upon hatching due to a physical deformity (very, very rare circumstances). If there is any reason at all why the results would matter to any other animals or for the health of the animal in question, I turn it over to my vet. I know what I am capable of, but more importantly I know what I am not qualified to do and I respect the difference.

 

[UnicornSpirit]

In the second picture there are clearly two people, so there is obviously someone he may share this interest with.

If you look closely, I think that is just a mirror, not another person. I do believe there are probably other people that think what he is doing is just dandy.

 

[latshki]

so instead of just talking about this guy behind his back has anyone taken the thought to ask him and let him explain himself, don't mean to justify these actions but I just realized that it is pretty rude to be calling this person terrible without knowing whats up so will someone contact him

 

[UnicornSpirit]

so instead of just talking about this guy behind his back has anyone taken the thought to ask him and let him explain himself, don't mean to justify these actions but I just realized that it is pretty rude to be calling this person terrible without knowing whats up so will someone contact him

I sent him a PM asking what it's all about, I'm still awaiting a reply.

 

[latshki]

I sent him a PM asking what it's all about, I'm still awaiting a reply.

ok thanks

 

[UnicornSpirit]

Bertone was very polite with getting back to me.

"okay, you're from the gecko forum. I am aware of what I do. without intent to persecute / embarrass the animals, I just make sure the cause of death. once again I do not intend to insult the gecko / gecko lovers. I was just researching to improve the way I care for and breed them. I have about 250 adult geckos and 200 baby ,and who died of disease is about 10% then I realized this is not good. and now I'd reduce the numbers of dead.

to answer your questions:

that rotten gecko it's because the eye disease when I bought it for about a week, i take a serious care for him with the right medicine and die when I'm gone for about 4 days. and that's what I get when home. I uploaded the photo was to show the seller that the gecko that he was selling was not in good condition and has been dead.

on the skinmark photos, I peel them, after I had autopsy, and concluded the cause of death. because it is all my favorite gecko, so I keep the skin as a warning about the memories of his life. I also save a lot of my pets that have died and preserved through a process of taxidermy by the experts.

end of sentences, this is not a cultural thing, it's only a matter of openness. I am always open to problems I had, as a lesson for those who started after me. I hope you understand and not take cultural issues into the forum again. so if you are very disturbed by what I share, please remove me from friend. my friends in indo also already familiar with what I do, not for the negative things.

regads,
kejapkejap"

I just asked him in return in the future to post more information with such photos so that others can understand where he is coming from. I also told him that some people let their children on facebook (which they really shouldn't), with his galleries being open to the public if a child where to stumble across some of these photos they could be very frightened.

 

[latshki]

thank you for contacting him, there is always another part to the story so again I don't want to sound like a d bag but it would be nice if people retracted their comments to what they said about him again I understand what you thought had its justifications but some may have jumped the gun a bit

 

[Joao]

:main_thumbsup:

 

[kejapkejap]

wekekekeke...I don't imagine anything like this would happen
I'm from indonesia, I'm sorry about this issue. if anyone wants to ask anything about this, please discuss it here. thx

 

[fl_orchidslave]

wekekekeke...I don't imagine anything like this would happen
I'm from indonesia, I'm sorry about this issue. if anyone wants to ask anything about this, please discuss it here. thx

You have some very nice gex.

I'm very interested in necropsy photos, however if there is no information provided with a photo, it is of little use for educational purposes. Is there any way you can put your research photos in a separate album with notations on your facebook? It wouldn't be so shocking to viewers that way. Also, we have an anatomy section on this forum http://geckoforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=176I would like to invite you to post your findings.