For those of you that think Pastel is the same as normal..

[fallen_angel]

(feel free to add pics to this Mike :main_yes
We are just LOVING how these Pastel babies are growing and changing! For those of you who think they are the same as normals, really take a second look, and we mean this in the most humble way..

Progressive changes..​

Anubis​

Shadow​

last but not least,

Stoney​

(who was named after Mike's sister who was very ill with kidney stones at the time this one hatched)

Thanks for looking

 

[Kristi23]

They're all really pretty!

 

[efx*]

Looking Good!!!

 

[brad.a.c]

Very nice Leos!

 

[eyelids]

I love your Pastels! Stoney is an awesome gecko!

 

[Ccrashca069]

They are adorable Jess

 

[RAZERWIREREPTILES]

Very nice Leos there I have a Male.... who looks just like that i would have posted a pic but i noticed mike at the end of that first line lol. I thought what you had are called lavendars or are they both the same? Another question for ya are you having a hard time sexing your pastels because the male i have i have had alot of breeders in my arfea look at him and tell me hes a female when in fact hes....... well just small...... lol and was woundering is this was a common morph trait.

 

[Ccrashca069]

I think you can call Lavender and Pastel the same. Post pics of your male.

 

[van_veen456]

Very nice animals...But I still think pastels are normals

 

[RAZERWIREREPTILES]

Very nice animals...But I still think pastels are normals

Ok sorry did not want to hijakc but i want to help if i can hope you dont mind me adding thies pics I think one might think they still look a little normalish becaus of the size they look to be might still be some color changing going on there but here is a full grown adult

2 year old male Pastel he is 56 grams

 

[shadowx362]

They all look great! I have some gecko that are some what Pastel coming out of my BB X SHT.

 

[Ccrashca069]

Thats a very nice male. I would call him a Pastel or Lavender

 

[fallen_angel]

Thanks so much everyone!

Very nice animals...But I still think pastels are normals

Even Stoney? She's whiter than some of our Snows! :main_lipsrsealed: And actually, the Pastel trait has been proven genetically, so that's why we don't consider them to be the same as normals :main_yes:



Roy - Yes, he looks Pastel/Lavender to me :main_yes: and I too would agree that Pastel and Lavender are the same. Our oldest, Anubis, is only 4 months old, but he was showing signs of being male pretty early. Shadow actually showed signs of being male pretty early too, and we believe Stoney is a female :heart: Your Pastel is very beautiful too :sweetheart:

 

[Halley]

Couldn’t it just be because those geckos are more yellow, not pastel? Just asking.

 

[fallen_angel]

From what I have observed with ours, the yellow becomes "muted" and there is actually less yellow than there would normally be. Although they do supposedly get very vibrant and change as adults..

Not sure why or how Stoney became so WHITE, but she is a by-product from a Line Bred Snow, so maybe that has something to do with it? Anubis was also from the same pairing. Shadow, on the other hand, is from a totally different female. All have the same Mack Snow (Pastel) father obviously.

What really distinguishes the Pastel though is the lavender coloring that they get. Here's some info that I have found on Pastels, but it hasn't been updated in a long time. On this website, they say the Pastel trait passes 50% of the time, but we have been informed that it actually passes about 90 percent of the time (and in our offspring, 100 percent of the time thus far):

The Mack Pastel is a "by product" of the Mack Snow Gene. It may possibly have begun as a gene on its own but for all purposes of discussion, it first appeared in collections of those whom work with the Mack snows and not as a result of selectively breeding for the Pastel trait. The Mack Pastel is currently classified as a dominant trait. When a Pastel is bred to any trait other than itself, pastels are produced in the first generation offspring. The ratios are each egg has a 50% chance of being a Mack Pastel and 50% chance of being a normal / wild type. The Mack Pastels as babies are distinguished by their vibrant bright yellow coloration at hatch. They appear to be much more "yellow" than typical normal / wild type offspring. Mack Pastels mature with a coloration similar to those of a Mack snow with muted yellows and lavenders, but upon reaching maturity, they seem to almost go through an overnight change and the colors intensify extremely. The best way to differentiate between a Mack Pastel and Mack snow is at hatch. Mack Snows will always be white / black / and grey while the Mack Pastels will be vibrant (almost glowing) yellow. The Mack pastel trait has now been singled out through selective breeding. Alex Hue Reptiles bred a Mack pastel to various normal leopard geckos and produced Mack Pastels within the first generation offspring. Alex Hue Reptiles has also bred Mack Pastels back to each other and produced 100% Mack Pastels, no super form was produced.

We got our Mack Snow male from Alex Hue. He wasn't advertised as being a Mack Snow Pastel, but he has proven to be one since all of his babies have been turning Pastel.

 

[Ccrashca069]

Alex Hue actually sells Pastel Mack Snows.

 

[fallen_angel]

Yup, that's exactly where we got our Macks from so it's no surprise that they ended up carrying the Pastel gene. We have a female too that we also believe to be Pastel, but she didn't lay this year (well she laid one infertile clutch, but that was it).

Here's daddy.. He's a big boy, 116.7 grams. He doesn't have much yellow either, which makes me think the Pastel mutes the yellow, rather than adds yellow. He is a Mack Snow Pastel, though. Not to be confused with Pastels or "Mack Pastels" since those don't carry the Snow gene:

 

[Nigel4less]

Wait not to bash you Jess, but where did you get the information that Pastels are Genetic and what is there genetic Background. Because the name pastel has been around since before the Mack Snow occurred. So what seperates them from so-called High-Yellows,Lavenders,etc.

 

[fallen_angel]

the website is in the quote, but here it is so others can find it easier:
http://www.mackleopardgeckos.com/genetics.html

Alex Hue proved the Pastel trait genetically. I've gotten info from others that have worked with Pastels, and they were the ones that told me the Pastel passed on 90 percent of the time. In our offspring, it has passed 100 percent of the time thus far.


I don't know about you guys, but it seems to me that not everything is known when it comes to traits. I mean, until recently, people didn't think it was possible to produce a Super Snow from a LBS X MS, but we did, and Albey has also. Moreover, as the webpage says, the Pastel trait was once thought to pass on 50 percent of the time, but now is believed to pass on 90 percent of the time. Things are not necessarily set in stone in the gecko world and we are all still learning new things about genetics as time passes. But that's science!

 

[Ccrashca069]

Just so no one can bash anyone, here is a link from the Leopard gecko Wiki on Pastel Mack Snows http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pastel