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Future Breeding female--Morph????
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it is a low quality hypo/ high yellow
As a side note I know breeding is very exciting and enticing however one of the best pieces of advice I ever got was take a step back think what animals do you want to produce? select 1-2 morphs you wanna work with and get the nicest pair or trio of those particular animals you can instead of just breeding whatever you have. I too have some petshop normals/high yellow/ hypos that I love and are my pets however when I decided to breed I invested in quality stock and in the long run it is the best thing you can do for any breeding project.
As a side note I know breeding is very exciting and enticing however one of the best pieces of advice I ever got was take a step back think what animals do you want to produce? select 1-2 morphs you wanna work with and get the nicest pair or trio of those particular animals you can instead of just breeding whatever you have. I too have some petshop normals/high yellow/ hypos that I love and are my pets however when I decided to breed I invested in quality stock and in the long run it is the best thing you can do for any breeding project.
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thanks for the information. I have with your information found the genetic diffenitons of both hypo and high yellow. My buddy bought a quality high yellow at our non commercial petstore. I believe that if it is a male when it matures we could be looking a pairing these two off. Also seeing how my other buddy and I have worked with irises (flowers) genetics I know about reverse genetics. My other buddies have a normal patterned leopard gecko with the complete spot pattern. This might be the first attempt as the normal leopard gecko is far more mature than the other high yellow. I will keep everyone posted on our progress and the overall health of all three geckos.
What would be your goal in pairing these geckos??? Do you have a plan on what you will do with the babies?? Low quality geckos are not in very high demand. I would not suggest breeding low quality/pet store geckos but I am sure by the sound of it you will anyway.
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what is wrong with the high yellow genetic lines in leopard geckos? plus I believe after reading deeper that Razor could be a hypo crossed with high yellow. Not to mention that after doing my own research I believe the quality high yellow my buddy got from a non comercial petstore is also crossed with a hypo or albino genetic strain. That being said the third gecko is not a hypo or high yellow it is a standard leopard gecko pattern. So depending how I go about it I may or may not get desirable results.
If you are not 100% sure of hets, you should not bred, you could end up crossing albino strains which is a big no no, and how can you tell without any genetic information that it was 'crossed' with a hypo. I am going to agree with Brad, you obviously are not going to listen and do what you want , so why even ask? You will end up with babies that could be possibly be sick from bad genetics, but hey who cares about that right?......
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obviously the quality of what of what is bred is what is important to me. The amount of what I would produce is not what my focus is. I have took multiple classes on anatomy and physiology, I have took biology classes. I have took some college medical classes. I read material quite well. I will not procede forward on the breeding unless I believe I can produce something desirable without negative genetic effects on both the animals and the blood line.
I would say by reading this that you should do alot more research on genetics before even thinking about breeding. A Hypo, High Yellow, and what you call a "standard" leopard gecko are all normals. The only difference between them is that they are classified by the amount of spots they have. So pairing any of the 3 you will produce normal leopard geckos. High Yellows and Hypos are not morphs they are line bred traits. Even if (for arguments sake) the one "High Yellow" was crossed with an Albino, without another animal that is het for the same Albino strain you will still produce all normals. Also you would have to know which Albino it was het for in order to get another animal with the same albino strain.
A Hypo and an Albino are dramatically different looking geckos so I'm not sure how they would not know which it was paired to. That's concerning.
Last, I personally like a bright High Yellow with dark bold spotting but I also like a genetically strong animal which alot of pet store quality geckos are not.
Ok well you have multiple people trying to tell you it's a bad idea, most have had geckos for years but you must be right. Also don't insult my intelligence, I am completing my degree in Surgical Technology as we speak and all the classes I have taken: Anatomy, Physiology, Microbiology, Pathophysiology, I could go on and on, those classes wouldn't make me any better of a breeder than the breeders in this forum. I have 2 leos with unknown genetics and I would never breed them not knowing the possible outcomes. Anyway good luck.....
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Guys calm down! Down beat the poor kid down! We were all beginners!
Hey man I am a teenage breeder I have high quality tangerine lines, bell stripes, tremper emerines etc. and I can barley sell those! What we are saying is yeah you can breed those normals but if you want to actually do this with normals make sure you have a buyer for all of the babies ok? Like I said it is so enticing to breed I know how it feels but just take your time try having/slowly build up a big collection of adults you are not breeding see if you can handle it first! not just one lizard I had about 15-20 leos for about 3 years before I ever bred! you are young( or so i assume) you have time enjoy your animals for a bit!
for weak genetics that is BS petstore leos come from huge wholesalers like the Bells and Tremper so the only worry is possible hidden albino hets. But this does not stop me from saying one more time INVEST! Invest in quality animals it WILL pay off buy a trio of nice tangerines breed those line breed that is an awesome limitless desirable project!
So let me sum it up Razor
1) take your time, build up your reputation around here be able to tell basically all the morphs apart be a pro!
2) Be Prepared, have homes and buyers thought out have feeding thought out have housing thought out
3) Invest in quality stock, get some nicer animals that have known genetics it will save you time in the end and make sales easier! And over all nicer animals are more rewarding to produce (IE they will ideally pay for themselves some what)
4) Have a good time, don't let everyone bash you down to much remember it is a hobby and should be about having fun and being passionate about your animals! and if you ever stop having fun get out of the hobby!
If you wanna talk breeding and being younger getting started in reptile breeding and business PM man I would love to help you out!
Hey man I am a teenage breeder I have high quality tangerine lines, bell stripes, tremper emerines etc. and I can barley sell those! What we are saying is yeah you can breed those normals but if you want to actually do this with normals make sure you have a buyer for all of the babies ok? Like I said it is so enticing to breed I know how it feels but just take your time try having/slowly build up a big collection of adults you are not breeding see if you can handle it first! not just one lizard I had about 15-20 leos for about 3 years before I ever bred! you are young( or so i assume) you have time enjoy your animals for a bit!
for weak genetics that is BS petstore leos come from huge wholesalers like the Bells and Tremper so the only worry is possible hidden albino hets. But this does not stop me from saying one more time INVEST! Invest in quality animals it WILL pay off buy a trio of nice tangerines breed those line breed that is an awesome limitless desirable project!
So let me sum it up Razor
1) take your time, build up your reputation around here be able to tell basically all the morphs apart be a pro!
2) Be Prepared, have homes and buyers thought out have feeding thought out have housing thought out
3) Invest in quality stock, get some nicer animals that have known genetics it will save you time in the end and make sales easier! And over all nicer animals are more rewarding to produce (IE they will ideally pay for themselves some what)
4) Have a good time, don't let everyone bash you down to much remember it is a hobby and should be about having fun and being passionate about your animals! and if you ever stop having fun get out of the hobby!
If you wanna talk breeding and being younger getting started in reptile breeding and business PM man I would love to help you out!
Triplegex,
You say "weak genetics in petstore geckos is BS", then later you say invest in quality stock..... If this was the case then way buy from a breeder? I am aware of who sells to the two big chain pet stores but that does not mean that the animals all have strong genetics.Im pretty sure that there is a difference in the strength of these geckos compared to there selectivly bred animals. Also the OP said it was a "non commercial pet store" so really you and I have no idea who supplies there geckos.
You say "weak genetics in petstore geckos is BS", then later you say invest in quality stock..... If this was the case then way buy from a breeder? I am aware of who sells to the two big chain pet stores but that does not mean that the animals all have strong genetics.Im pretty sure that there is a difference in the strength of these geckos compared to there selectivly bred animals. Also the OP said it was a "non commercial pet store" so really you and I have no idea who supplies there geckos.
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two are from P-E-T-C-O and one is not. The one that isn't is from one of our local petstores. Razor is the largest leopard gecko that either P-E-T-C-O had. My buddy who's gecko is normally here is from the local petstore.
When I hear weak genetics I think the animal is unhealthy or if you breed that animal the babies will come out as nasty little weak deformed babies if he breeds these animals all that will happen is he will have cheap low quality normals and hypos in that sense he is flooding the market I say Invest because we all know that basically no one want's normals from those genetics! But tell it like it is his animals are fine just not desirable because no one wants to pay shipping on 10-15 dollar normals unless it is wholesale and if he invest maybe he can actually sell some of his babies to someplace other than a petstore or on the local Craigslist
If you read my posts, I think I did "tell it like it is." I never said anything like "if you breed that animal the babies will come out as nasty little weak deformed babies". All I said was that (alot) of pet store quality animals are not genetically strong. I said this because they are not selectively bred. In other words, They are not taking the largest, strongest, healthiest geckos to make pet store quality animals. Selective breeding IMO is not just for color and pattern. If you breed big strong healthy geckos, you will produce (for the most part) big strong healthy geckos. If you breed smaller weaker geckos.... guess what you will probably produce?
I do not make any of my comments to start arguments, I make them to try and help people with less experience than me. Even if its something they don't want to hear. I will not tell him "Yeah, thats a great idea breeding low quality normals!" because its not. I am not telling anyone what they have to do, just giving information and opinions and letting them do what they want with it.
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