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GIANT DIABLO BLANCO
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Beautiful Morgan! Hey, I thought DB's had red eyes? I've never owned this morph, so I'm not up to date on them.
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Thanks! They are red. Tiny bit of snake eye so it's hard to see. Red veins though. Hope to get giants with more eclipsed eyes when paired to my solid red eyed db. And adding giant >_~
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Ok.... Im confused now lol.. My male looks JUST like this guy(eyes and all) except smaller(hes still a juvi, and not a giant) and has a bit more yellow on his back.. So would he be a DB?? The breeder I got him from said he was a blazing blizzard 100% het eclipse because his eyes werent a solid red(which most of the time his pupils are dilated, so they always look like there solid red unless a light is shined at him)
A lot of White morphs look the same. It's the genetics behind it as the name. A Diablo Blanco is a RAPTOR Blizzard. Yours would just be a Blazing Blizzard het Diablo Blanco.
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In the second to last pic you can see the snake eye.
Both parents are visual and proven homozygous for eclipse. The father is snake eyed and the mother has solid eyes. This is a lower expression eclipse yet still eclipse. Some eclipses don't even show eye pigmentation yet still carry the gene(abyssinians).
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So is it all down to the parents I guess? I dont know what mines parents where lol.. Ill try to find out I guess
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thanks! it only holds five pix at a time though. had to order gear later so i havent gotten it yet. he is settling great. i have him set up next to one of his future wives until his "dungeon" is finished being made/ decorated. im very happy with him!
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email me the pic and ill tell you if it is a snake eye. when his pupil is closed all the way take a pic. if there is pigment on the sides then it is eclipse.
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I went crazy with the pictures lol. I sent several with pupils open and closed. But there sent 
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Jealous!!!!!! How big?
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No idea as of right now. I will probably weigh him this weekend. He is under 3 months and huge!
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Ok, so maybe I'm crazy but....I don't see red at all. I know, it's probably just because it can't be captured on camera. We hear that alot with other morphs as well.
I'm not trying to start a war by any means, but I am starting to think that some geckos are being mislabeled simply because of the parents. I'm NOT saying that THIS particular gecko is....I can't physically hold it and look closely, but I'm noticing a trend here.
For example: I see "Emerine's" being labeled as such even though there isn't a single centimeter that's "greenish" on them at all. I'm also seeing "Diablo Blanco's" with basically no eclipse red eyes at all being labeled as such. If you look at Geckos etc., you will see RED eyes in his Diablo Blancos. Same with TUG. I can't think of where else I've seen them, but when I have, they have had at least 25% - 100% eclipsed red eyes.
My question is.....Shouldn't the traits that the morph was named for genetically be present visually in order for it to be classified as such? Seriously, just because the parents exhibit the traits that are strived for doesn't mean that all the offspring should be labeled as such if they don't visually exhibit it themselves.
If a SHTCT and a SHTCT produce a gecko that has NO carrot tail, is it technically a SHTCT?? No, it isn't.
If two Marble eyes produce a gecko that has no marbling, is it a Marble eye???
Why are geckos being labeled as something when they don't express all of the traits that make up that particular morph? Shouldn't they be labeled as lesser quality or hets or something else?
I don't understand this part of the hobby, so that's why I'm bringing it up. I want to learn more about proper labeling and am not trying to pick a fight. I just want to understand why a gecko with NO green in it is able to be called a "emerine", why a gecko without red eclipsed eyes is called a "Diablo Blanco" instead of a "Blazing Blizzard" just because of the parents. The problem I have is that what is going to stop someone from labeling a gecko a certain morph when it doesn't express all of the traits? This can mislead someone into buying a morph that they think is something that it really isn't in order to get more money out of it. I personally wouldn't, and have not, buy a morph that was "low grade" or not exhibiting all of the traits. I would simply buy "hets" and produce my own.
In saying all of that, I still believe you have a beautiful gecko Morgan, and I am not trying to put your's down at all. I just want to know if a gecko can be labeled so and so just because the parents are so and so.
I know that if I produce a gecko that doesn't exhibit a particular trait that is expected than it damn well isn't going to be labeled as such. It will be a "het" or it will be severely discounted because it is a mutt.
Can someone please explain this? We can start another thread if needed. Thanks.
I'm not trying to start a war by any means, but I am starting to think that some geckos are being mislabeled simply because of the parents. I'm NOT saying that THIS particular gecko is....I can't physically hold it and look closely, but I'm noticing a trend here.
For example: I see "Emerine's" being labeled as such even though there isn't a single centimeter that's "greenish" on them at all. I'm also seeing "Diablo Blanco's" with basically no eclipse red eyes at all being labeled as such. If you look at Geckos etc., you will see RED eyes in his Diablo Blancos. Same with TUG. I can't think of where else I've seen them, but when I have, they have had at least 25% - 100% eclipsed red eyes.
My question is.....Shouldn't the traits that the morph was named for genetically be present visually in order for it to be classified as such? Seriously, just because the parents exhibit the traits that are strived for doesn't mean that all the offspring should be labeled as such if they don't visually exhibit it themselves.
If a SHTCT and a SHTCT produce a gecko that has NO carrot tail, is it technically a SHTCT?? No, it isn't.
If two Marble eyes produce a gecko that has no marbling, is it a Marble eye???
Why are geckos being labeled as something when they don't express all of the traits that make up that particular morph? Shouldn't they be labeled as lesser quality or hets or something else?
I don't understand this part of the hobby, so that's why I'm bringing it up. I want to learn more about proper labeling and am not trying to pick a fight. I just want to understand why a gecko with NO green in it is able to be called a "emerine", why a gecko without red eclipsed eyes is called a "Diablo Blanco" instead of a "Blazing Blizzard" just because of the parents. The problem I have is that what is going to stop someone from labeling a gecko a certain morph when it doesn't express all of the traits? This can mislead someone into buying a morph that they think is something that it really isn't in order to get more money out of it. I personally wouldn't, and have not, buy a morph that was "low grade" or not exhibiting all of the traits. I would simply buy "hets" and produce my own.
In saying all of that, I still believe you have a beautiful gecko Morgan, and I am not trying to put your's down at all. I just want to know if a gecko can be labeled so and so just because the parents are so and so.
I know that if I produce a gecko that doesn't exhibit a particular trait that is expected than it damn well isn't going to be labeled as such. It will be a "het" or it will be severely discounted because it is a mutt.
Can someone please explain this? We can start another thread if needed. Thanks.
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Thorgecko707
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I totally understand. But it is the same in shtct. If you breed two that have the same carrot, you can still get animals that express less. Eclipse is hard because it takes a lot to get full red eyes. Snake eye is like having 10% carrot tail. It isn't retail-worth as much as a 50-100% but it is still eclipse. Ideally I'd love a giant diablo blanco with solid red eyes but that would have costed extremely more and on top of that I havent seen any. I'm hoping to get high quality giants when breeding to my full red eye tug db. eventually in area years I want to have sg db with full red eyes but that will take a lot of time and money. I would also never buy an emerine that wasn't green.
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I saw Giant Raptors, Super Giant Raptors, Giant Blazzing Blizzards all het for DIablo Blanco on Steve's site. Not to mention alot of them have solid eyes, so it can be done. Not cheap, but maybe something to consider. May be well worth a breeding project. Good luck Morgan.
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I often look at the site. Lol. I do plan on investing more next year if John will sell me some giant snow db.
Hi Chris,
I will try to help address your concerns with this particular animal and I hope this helps you to understand it better. Now this is up to one's own interpretation of the "Diablo Blanco" combo morph and your understanding of genetics. Comparing a recessive gene to a polygenic such as SHTCT is not a good example for this situation. You are concerned with the phenotype(appearance) when the genotype(Which alleles are actually present) is what really should be considered. This is why we are so concerned what the parents are. If I had bred a eclipse to a het eclipse in this situation I would not be able to label this gecko as an eclipse without seeing the tell-tale signs.
This particular animal is a very low expression eclipse. The parents were both homozygous for eclipse therefore I can say this is an eclipse. Every hatchling I have had from this pairing has been eclipse whether they were snake eyed or solid eyes. When this gecko is bred to another eclipse it will produce 100% eclipses. Thats the way recessive traits work.
Now on to the Diablo Blanco part. Claiming this is a Diablo Blanco is up to one's interpretation of what a Diablo Blanco is. If a Diablo Blanco is considered a Blizzard Tremper Eclipse, then yes this is a Diablo Blanco. If you consider a gecko Diablo Blanco only when it expresses 50% or more eye pigment then no this is not a Diablo Blanco. I made Morgan completely aware of this through email and pictures before he purchased.
Now my personal opinion is that if an animal is homozygous(carrying 2 copies of the allele) it should be labeled as such. Labeling this animal heterozygous for eclipse would be incorrect since it is not. Either way he will produce 100% eclipses when bred to another eclipse so he can produce more diablo blancos in his future projects.
For an example here's our W&Y Eclipse that displays no eye pigment at all yet is still homozygous for the eclipse gene.
I personally think they look pretty cool but again that comes down to personal preference.
Bottom line is Morgan has a nice Giant Blizzard Tremper Eclipse or whatever you would like to call it.
Parents of this gecko were purchased from Geckos etc. lol
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