GREAT new reptile genetics calculator!!!

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Check out this new site for the coolest genetic morph calculator! They even have a phone application :main_thumbsup:

http://www.reptilecalculator.com/

 

[andrew5859]

Thank you for sharing this Marcia! You beat me to it!

Matt actually showed me this at a show a few weeks ago and it is FANTASTIC!

 

[LeopardShade]

Wow, I'm impressed. This is a great calculator. Thank you Marcia for pointing this out.

This question does not pertain to the topic at all, but looking at the calculator and browsing through the morphs, I stumbled upon the Snowflake. Does anyone know anything about that morph? Sorry for the off-topic question, but I'm curious.

 

[eyelids]

I don't know why people can't just figure this stuff out in their heads... It is very simple with minimal understanding of genetics... Knowing the genetics of each morph is the hardest part, but can be easily understood by doing a quick search on the forum or Google...

 

[delilah1715]

on that website under morph genetics it says that a snowflake is Tremper Albino,Eclipse,Murphy Patternless,Mack Snow new one to me too

 

[andrew5859]

I don't know why people can't just figure this stuff out in their heads... It is very simple with minimal understanding of genetics... Knowing the genetics of each morph is the hardest part, but can be easily understood by doing a quick search on the forum or Google...

Not everyone is that intelligent

on that website under morph genetics it says that a snowflake is Tremper Albino,Eclipse,Murphy Patternless,Mack Snow new one to me too

So basically its just another fancy trade name for another cross. http://www.reptilecalculator.com/leopard-gecko-morphs/snowflake/
All they did was add Murphys Patternless to a Mack Raptor. :wall:

 

[Zeetrain]

All they did was add Murphys Patternless to a Mack Raptor.

They could just call it a mack ember....

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I don't know why people can't just figure this stuff out in their heads... It is very simple with minimal understanding of genetics...

Even I have trouble with genetics when it goes past 3 traits. I am going to be 58 years old in June, and there was literally NO genetics understanding in the 50's and 60's... even the 70's when I went to school. I didn't even learn what a Punnet Square was until the last 6-7 years! When we have multiple genes, and multiple breeders calling combination morphs their own catchy name for the same thing, it even makes it harder. Take a look at all the "what will I get when I cross a ? with a ?" posts here on GeckoForums.net!!!

When I went to college, we didn't even have calculators... they weren't introduced until the mid-70's, and even then it was considered cheating if they were used in class. I can't think of ANY of us that could do calculus or even algebra without one! So what's wrong with a genetics calculator that not only identifies the morphs, but calculates the probabilities when they are crossed? I see this as a h-u-g-e improvement over all the earlier versions, which were a wonderful resource.

Let's not get carried away on this thread about what combination morphs are called. I'll guarantee it's still 'a rose by any other name'. LOL!

 

[GeckoCrossing]

Great post Marcia! I also love the calculator, because it's so much easier and faster. Click, click = results. Not to mention chronic migraines and math do not mix. I tried making mashed potatoes for two and ended up with enough for 8... =/ lol

 

[eyelids]

I agree the site is really nice! Just felt like putting my opinion of the morph 'calculator' concept out there... Not necessary most likely, but I hate to see people sell themselves short... To be completely honest I don't look at possible outcomes anymore... It almost never works out the way it 'should'... Who hasn't paired an albino to a het gotten 8 babies with only 1 being albino... Gets even worse when you have multiple hets... Now I just leave it to the 'gods' and hope for the best!

 

[justindh1]

Even I have trouble with genetics when it goes past 3 traits. I am going to be 58 years old in June, and there was literally NO genetics understanding in the 50's and 60's... even the 70's when I went to school. I didn't even learn what a Punnet Square was until the last 6-7 years! When we have multiple genes, and multiple breeders calling combination morphs their own catchy name for the same thing, it even makes it harder. Take a look at all the "what will I get when I cross a ? with a ?" posts here on GeckoForums.net!!!

So what's wrong with a genetics calculator that not only identifies the morphs, but calculates the probabilities when they are crossed? I see this as a h-u-g-e improvement over all the earlier versions, which were a wonderful resource.

Let's not get carried away on this thread about what combination morphs are called. I'll guarantee it's still 'a rose by any other name'. LOL!

I like the genetic calculator and it is a very useful tool to a person who has the knowledge to correctly understand the outcomes. I don't think all the questions about ? X ? should be referred directly to a genetic calculator like I have been seeing lately. I believe these questions should be referred to information that allows individuals to become more informed. I like calculators to help me figure out the chances but that is about as far as I use it. They are relied on too much as the major/only source of information.

I also have problems with understanding the outcomes of pairings who's individuals hold more than 2 genetic traits. That's a reason for me to keep my genetics simple. All these "catchy" trade names that each individual makes up is getting ridiculous but most of the leopard gecko community is biting them hook, line, and sinker. There needs to be more vocalization in what breeders actually think. They are the ones who should regulate the trade and not let it get out of hand. Even some of the big breeders need to come back down to earth and quit getting such big heads. This is only my opinion and not an attack on anyone in this thread.

I agree the site is really nice! Just felt like putting my opinion of the morph 'calculator' concept out there... Not necessary most likely, but I hate to see people sell themselves short... To be completely honest I don't look at possible outcomes anymore... It almost never works out the way it 'should'... Who hasn't paired an albino to a het gotten 8 babies with only 1 being albino... Gets even worse when you have multiple hets... Now I just leave it to the 'gods' and hope for the best!

I do agree with some of your points. Percentages in the short term is only perfect in a perfect world. They are all out the window when the eggs start to hatch. In the big picture, percentages do work out but that is only applicable over years of breeding or with large amounts of hatchlings. Genetic calculators will only help you better understand the outcomes when you have the knowledge needed.

 

[eyelids]

Ah sorry to bring this out, but it's been weighing on me... Was just upset my morph wasn't on there... After seeing a pic of the newest combo today there's no doubt it deserves it's recognition! I won't be posting the pic, but do not worry surely you'll see it on his site soon... :main_thumbsup:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

It almost never works out the way it 'should'... Who hasn't paired an albino to a het gotten 8 babies with only 1 being albino... Gets even worse when you have multiple hets... Now I just leave it to the 'gods' and hope for the best!

I think one of the biggest misconceptions people have about genetics probabilities is, that the results are based on percentages of 100. When the Punnet Square or genetics calculators say there is as 50% or 25% probability, it doesn't mean that half or one quarter of the offspring will be a particular morph or combination... it means that out of 100, there is a 50% or 25% chance. I think we all agree that there really isn't much chance of a female laying 100 eggs in a season!

Was just upset my morph wasn't on there... After seeing a pic of the newest combo today there's no doubt it deserves it's recognition!

Perhaps you could send a photo to the creators of the calculator? I know that many morphs, especially line-bred, may not show up as a separate morph.

 

[katie_]

Nevermind. Removed comment...I'm slow

 

[The Gecko Person]

I like this one. You can use ANY species, ANY morph/mutation, as long as you know the genetics. It seems easier than hoping for a few certain people to keep up with the morphs on any genetics wizard for a certain species.
http://www.geneticswizard.com/

 

[LoveGeckos.com]

I like this one. You can use ANY species, ANY morph/mutation, as long as you know the genetics. It seems easier than hoping for a few certain people to keep up with the morphs on any genetics wizard for a certain species.
http://www.geneticswizard.com/

The geneticswizard is a fine calculator.

I would just like to point out that we are commited to keeping the calculator up to date. However, you can select the individual morph components, so if a morph doesnt exist, then you just select the components, thus being up-to-date. With the exception of polygenic morphs.

Also, a generic calculator also has it's flaws. Take the TUG Snow x Mack Snow, you can get Super Snows, they are allelic to each other, and part of the same complex, how would you calculate this? Our calculator does.

I am not knocking the geneticswizard, it has been around along time and used by many, it is a valuable resource, we just take a different approach with our calculator.

Thanks
Andy

 

[The Gecko Person]

The geneticswizard is a fine calculator.

I would just like to point out that we are commited to keeping the calculator up to date. However, you can select the individual morph components, so if a morph doesnt exist, then you just select the components, thus being up-to-date. With the exception of polygenic morphs.

Also, a generic calculator also has it's flaws. Take the TUG Snow x Mack Snow, you can get Super Snows, they are allelic to each other, and part of the same complex, how would you calculate this? Our calculator does.

I am not knocking the geneticswizard, it has been around along time and used by many, it is a valuable resource, we just take a different approach with our calculator.

Thanks
Andy

Yours is still better for people that can't read all of the 1/2 copy, het/homo and for combination names.
Another thing is that it lists the super as 'het. TUG Snow het. Mack Snow', but you would have to know that it's a super to read it correctly. It calculates correctly, but if yours actually says the super, that is a better thing about it.

 

[GeckoKingdom]

Can't wait till they come out with the Android App for it!!

 

[LoveGeckos.com]

Yours is still better for people that can't read all of the 1/2 copy, het/homo and for combination names.
Another thing is that it lists the super as 'het. TUG Snow het. Mack Snow', but you would have to know that it's a super to read it correctly. It calculates correctly, but if yours actually says the super, that is a better thing about it.

That is not actually correct. The calculator does the Mack Snow / TUG Snow / Super Snow combinations correctly and displays "Super" where appropriate. Maybe you are using a different calculator or I am simply not understanding.

We don't actually display the word Het for Mack or TUG Snows. So I a little confused. Although techincally they both can be het.

Thanks
Andy

 

[LoveGeckos.com]

I reCan't wait till the come out with the Android App for it!!

We are working hard on that. We do have a development version that we are testing and hope to get it to the market soon.

I will update you when it's released.

All the best
Andy