guess the morph again?

[coldblooded5150]

so i breed the 2 geckos in the first pic and i ended up hatching the ones in the second pic. not sure the morph, i expected a normal from these 2 since i was under the impression they were 2 different forms of abinos but i have no idea what this one is. any guesses or ideas where to start looking?

thanks for any input

 

[NinjaDuo]

Yes normal het for both albino strains.... Why did you breed them? It automatically discredits your breeding by crossing things that shouldn't be crossed.

 

[rebecky45]

I'm sure others can better word the thoughts forming in my head. ......proceed.

 

[katie_]

I'm sure others can better word the thoughts forming in my head. ......proceed.

I can't do it nicely.

 

[rebecky45]

I can't do it nicely.

I didn't expect anyone to do it nicely...Lol.

 

[clouded_leopard]

Do not cross albino strains in the future.

Are they on aspen chips? I don't recommend loose substrates for leos.

 

[katie_]

People should have to take a class and pass it before theyre allowed to own/breed animals.

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

+1 and a license for being able to lol

 

[Indigo]

Did I just read that right? Wow. I don't think it can be said enough in this thread: Don't cross the albino strains please. Do your research before you start breeding. There is plenty of info available out there and on this thread about why you should not cross the albino strains. There's actually a sticky in this section called Muddy Waters. You should read it. http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=49197

 

[coldblooded5150]

why should they not be crossed? everyone seems to have alot to say as if they are better than anyone else yet nobody has said anything with any info to back up or verify what their negative attitudes are. the idea of a forum is to build community with people who have the same interest and inform people who may not have the same amount of know how on a subject.

 

[clouded_leopard]

All three different albino strains are not compatible with each other. So if you breed a Bell male to a Tremper female you will get a bunch of normals that carry the gene for both Bell and Tremper albinos. Now take those babies and breed them to others like themselves, if you get albinos you would never know if they are Tremper or Bell albinos by just looking at them, plus they will be poss het bell & trempers. Who wants to buy something like that where it can take years to proove out what they are and what they are not?

This is just another example of muddy waters....

This is why.

 

[mudskipper]

As you know by now, it's frowned upon to cross albino strains and to breed without knowing your leopard geckos' genetics.

The one on the right looks like a bell. The left one would be one of the other two, but it's hard to tell. To answer your question, the only way to find out is through trial breeding. BUT DON'T DO IT. There are plenty of leopard geckos out there already. Don't bring more leopard geckos that people don't want into this world.

 

[coldblooded5150]

i still dont see why they should not be crossed? i get they come out as normals double hets but whats the difference of someone having a het snow cornsnake or milksnake? its 2 different recessive mutations crossed that look like a normal. as for the breeder they were talking about trying to sell mixed albinos as a new blood line thats just a shady vendor trying to fool people into over paying for something. does crossed albinos make them any less healthy or shorten life span or harm them in any other way physically or nurologically? if not i don't see the problem if your honest about the genetics if you sell them or give them away. i still only know little about geckos as i have always been a snake person and only recently got into keeping geckos since my daughter likes them

 

[Indigo]

does crossed albinos make them any less healthy or shorten life span or harm them in any other way physically or nurologically? if not i don't see the problem if your honest about the genetics if you sell them or give them away. i still only know little about geckos as i have always been a snake person and only recently got into keeping geckos since my daughter likes them

As far as I know it does not shorten their life span or harm them in any way. The problem lies with what you said after. " if not i don't see the problem if your honest about the genetics if you sell them or give them away." Many people working with them will not be honest about what they are. Most likely because anyone knowledgeable about breeding is not going to buy them. And thus, the "waters are muddied" further. If you have one and you're not going to breed it, I see nothing wrong with just keeping it as a pet.

 

[rebecky45]

In an ideal world, everyone would keep perfect track of the genetics of their geckos, and it wouldnt be as big of a deal, but that doesn't happen. If/when you sell these guys, their owners may not keep track or be careless breeders. Most people don't want geckos thy have unknown genetics and there are enough geckos out there that have rough lives and are unwanted.

 

[katie_]

Some people would go as far as to say you should cull those hatchlings.
What you did is extrememly frowned upon, just except it as a big mistake and move on. Learn from it, and don't do it again.

 

[Indigo]

We're not trying to be mean or unwelcoming. It is just a bit frustrating (for lack of a better word) because this kind of thread is seen a little too often when it would take just a bit of research to stop this from happening. I agree with Katie. It was a mistake. The best thing to do would be to take it as a learning experience.

 

[coldblooded5150]

well either way im not breeding to sell them, like i said im more or a snake person but got a few geckos for my daughter who liked them and she had a couple friends want one and my little sister so we put them together to see what would happen. as i got 2 baby geckos and about 6 people offering homes for them. still not really understanding the whole muddy waters thing and keeping things "pure" as i read since with all the mutations and and cross breedings with all reptiles anymore most do not resemble their true wild natural selves and are already some form of mutt. but in the future i at least know within the gecko communities crossed albinos are generaly not accepted

 

[justindh1]

well either way im not breeding to sell them, like i said im more or a snake person but got a few geckos for my daughter who liked them and she had a couple friends want one and my little sister so we put them together to see what would happen. as i got 2 baby geckos and about 6 people offering homes for them. still not really understanding the whole muddy waters thing and keeping things "pure" as i read since with all the mutations and and cross breedings with all reptiles anymore most do not resemble their true wild natural selves and are already some form of mutt. but in the future i at least know within the gecko communities crossed albinos are generaly not accepted

Crossed albinos strains are not "generally" accepted in the gecko community but are not accepted by "all" of the gecko community, at least by the ones who are concerned about what they produce and sell. It's about having a gecko with the genetics of more than 1 albino that cannot be determined what it exactly is. With having multiple albino genetics, it is pretty much impossible to determine what albino it is and/or whether it is more than one. It should not be done because of the confusion it creates.

Just because a animal doesn't represent it's wild type doesn't make it a mutt. It is a completely different genetic mutation that CAN be identified whether mixed with other genetics or not.