Having health issues,housing question

ptbmaniac

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I love this debate! It does actually show that there is so much different information out there. I did some research last night using 20 different care sheets.Of the 20 only 7 mentioned Vitamin A. 11 mention Calcium overall,and 9 did not mention any Supplements or calcium. As far as heating goes,16 out of 20 said to use a uth with a ground temp of 90-94 degrees. The other 4 mentioned ambient air of 90.
I think that since Leopard Geckos are mostly nocturnal that it might not really matter,because the rocks that they would be on would be warm but there is no sun at night so they dont bask.The 2nd part to that is the area they live in is very hot and dry the majority of the time and the ambient air temps are very high.So that would mean that the majority of wild geckos would have eye problems if heat was a factor. Also in the wild the food source is not Gutloaded the same way we gutload them. Whatever the bugs eat in the wild is what nutrients the gecko gets. That could be a wide range of things. It has also been documented that leopard geckos will eat sand if they feel the need to get calcium.That could not be very good for them.But since the calcium part is documented I believe that calcium is a must. Also It is very well documented online that almost all problems with captive breed geckos is eye problems,but nobody knows for sure why.Nutrition has to be the #1 reason for that I would think. I think all of you have great points and it is very interesting to see the debate on this topic.
My leo had her first meal last night with Vitamin A so we will see if it makes a difference or not.As for an update on her, one eye does look slightly better so I think the eye drops are helping some.However the other eye is still completely covered by the ulcer and she cant open it.Hopefully both will heal,but I would really luke to atleast save one.It might cause some problems,but atleast she could still find food on her own.She will have a follow up next week.I will continue to monitor this debate and keep everyone updated.I am very passionate about animals and love to learn about all aspects of every creature alive.Thanks for mking this such a great site.
 
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ptbmaniac

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As for the moss,it does not seem to have any sharp edges when moist,and we never let it get dry.It also gets changed every couple of days. My Leos have always loved laying in yhe humid hide with the moss.When I first started keeping Leos I used used moist paper towel and they hardly ever used the humid hide. Is there something besides moss that I should use? The one eye the is not as bad does clearly have a scratch on it.You can see it. I just dont think the moss caused it.
 

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As for the moss,it does not seem to have any sharp edges when moist,and we never let it get dry.It also gets changed every couple of days. My Leos have always loved laying in yhe humid hide with the moss.When I first started keeping Leos I used used moist paper towel and they hardly ever used the humid hide. Is there something besides moss that I should use? The one eye the is not as bad does clearly have a scratch on it.You can see it. I just dont think the moss caused it.
Probably the most popular option for humid hide substrate is coco fiber. It's soft and fluffy and (I'm told) holds humidity much better than moss.

~Maggot
 

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One thing to think about with leopard geckos in the wild is that when the ambient temp is in the 90's they are probably in a crevice somewhere enjoying higher humidity and lower temperatures. When people keep their geckos in rooms that are in the 80's (and based on what I've read in different posts, some people do), when the temp is maintained by heaters in the winter that dry out the air and when we all keep our leopard geckos dry without misting because they're desert creatures, we may be setting up conditions that they don't spend extended amounts of time in when they're in the wild. Interesting topic and great research topic for someone looking for a thesis idea.

Aliza
 

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I personally gut load insects with Repashy Bug Burger, Fluker's High Calcium Cricket Diet, Roach Chow from West Coast Roaches and fresh fruit and veggies, pretty much just whatever I have hanging around. I dust every insect with Repashy Calcium Plus and she also has a bit of it in a dish in her cage with some mealworms in it. I use slate tiles with hermit crab sand underneath, UTH with HydroFarms thermostat set at 93 degrees (I also monitor the temps with an infrared thermometer) Cool hide/water dish combo, dry hot hide and a humid hide with Eco-earth substrate that gets misted pretty much daily with spring water. I've had Ozy almost a year now and she has never had shedding/eye issues or any of that with my setup. Right now she's not eating hardly AT ALL, but I'm attributing that to winter and ovulation since her tail is still nice and fat and she is still strong and active-ish. Of course she's not as active as normal, because it's winter. :p
 
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Embrace Calamity

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Oh, I did find information regarding the "too dry" argument.

"While leopard geckos originate from very dry, arid environments they require pockets of humidity to help them remove their skin when they go to shed. Without this many geckos develop a condition called dysecdysis, or 'retained shed.'"

"Since humidity plays such a major role, providing your gecko a humid retreat or 'humid hide' is a great way to help prevent problems."

Pet Health Resources | Reptiles | Eye and Skin Problems in Leopard Geckos | University Animal Hospital

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ptbmaniac

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Well it is looking like we might save one of the eyes! The left eye is looking really good! The swelling is down and she has been using it. You can see the eyeball,it does look like eith a small scratch or scar on the eye but it seems that she can atleast see some out of it. The right eye however is closed tight and appears sunken.I dont think that eye can be saved. We have a follow up with the vet tomorrow! Hopefully we get some good news. Belle is currently about ready to shed and she never eats for the few days during the process,but she has been eating crickets and getting Vitamin A.Hopefully things are looking up for her!
 

ptbmaniac

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Well had another vet appointment and it looks like the left eye is going to be just fine! In a turn of events it is looking like the right eye has a good chance now also! The eyeball is now visible and Belle has some sight in it! The vet has done an excellent job with this situation! Things are really looking up! She is eating and has not lost any weight at all! So hopefully everthing is going to be ok!
 

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