Help ID Morph

[mpeek]

I was told when I got her that she is a banana blizzard. I have my doubts. I don't think that a banana blizzard has spots on their tales. Is that correct?

I think that she is more likely SHCT Baldy. Your thoughts?

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Oh wow. I'm sorry I can't help with morph, but she's beautiful nonetheless.

~Maggot

 

[Ozy]

Sorry, she's not a Banana Blizzard. My leopard gecko is a Banana blizzard. Here are a couple of pics of her, so you can see the difference. Yours looks like a SH Baldy to me. Not sure about the carrot tail part.

 

[mpeek]

Sorry, she's not a Banana Blizzard. My leopard gecko is a Banana blizzard. Here are a couple of pics of her, so you can see the difference. Yours looks like a SH Baldy to me. Not sure about the carrot tail part.

Thanks for ruling out the banana blizzard. It is a bummer that she isn't a blizzard, but I do really like the colors of her super hypo baldy. I am just not sure what to pair her with. I have a blizzard male that I was going to pair her with, but now that she is not a blizzard, I am rethinking that. I think I may still pair her with him and get some hypo het blizzards.

 

[Ozy]

If you don't know their exact genetics I wouldn't breed them. She is still super cute though.

 

[TWreptiles]

looks like a super hypo baldy (the tangerine and carrot tail are debateable) and looks like shes got a nice big paradox spot on her mouth

 

[mpeek]

Do paradox spots happen often on hypos?

 

[katie_]

I agree with others; dont breed her.

 

[aaronc28]

I don't claim to be an expert, but I am quite experienced with leo's. Okay, here's what we know; she obviously is not a banana blizzard (sorry), she has no spots on the body or head so she is a super hypo baldy. She has tangerine influences in the body so she qualifies as a tangerine. As for the carrot tail, leopard gecko wikipedia states that to qualify for carrot tail the gecko must have 15% of the tail orange, which it looks like it is, but is debatable. So you put it all together and you have a shtctb, and a very good looking one at that.

I have a blizzard that looks just like Ozy's. The problem with calling them banana blizzards is that you have to truly know their genetics. Many people try to sell blizzards that have a lot of yellow in them as banana blizzards. A true banana blizzard is a murphy patternless blizzard. I will have to breed mine to a murphy patternless and see what the results are.

As for everyone on here saying not to breed her, don't listen to them they don't know what they're talking about. I would agree that if this gecko had genetics that you weren't sure of to not breed her. But this gecko's traits are all line bred.

 

[katie_]

I don't claim to be an expert, but I am quite experienced with leo's. Okay, here's what we know; she obviously is not a banana blizzard (sorry), she has no spots on the body or head so she is a super hypo baldy. She has tangerine influences in the body so she qualifies as a tangerine. As for the carrot tail, leopard gecko wikipedia states that to qualify for carrot tail the gecko must have 15% of the tail orange, which it looks like it is, but is debatable. So you put it all together and you have a shtctb, and a very good looking one at that.

I have a blizzard that looks just like Ozy's. The problem with calling them banana blizzards is that you have to truly know their genetics. Many people try to sell blizzards that have a lot of yellow in them as banana blizzards. A true banana blizzard is a murphy patternless blizzard. I will have to breed mine to a murphy patternless and see what the results are.

As for everyone on here saying not to breed her, don't listen to them they don't know what they're talking about. I would agree that if this gecko had genetics that you weren't sure of to not breed her. But this gecko's traits are all line bred.

And if shes het for tremper and he breeds her to a bell? Then what?
If he couldnt tell me what the parents were 100% then I certainly wouldnt be buying any of his offspring. Most people are like me and want to know what theyre getting.
Saying people dont know what theyre talking about is awefully rude.
I dont go out of my way to give people advice for no reason. People here are attempting to help the OP make good decisions so that the OP isnt put out in any way. By saying things like "these people dont know what theyre talking about" when neither you nor the OP know any of us can make the OP confused and hurt them in the long run with their decisions.

OP, it would be unwise for you to breed this gecko when you are unsure of her genetics. TBH shes not the quality of gecko I would want to purchase offspring from. If you want a successful season, I would stick to higher quality geckos, purchased from breeders - not from pet stores.

And as someone who owns and runs a petstore, I can tell you what I pay for low quality hypos. It would probably make you rethink your plans.

 

[aaronc28]

And if shes het for tremper and he breeds her to a bell? Then what?
If he couldnt tell me what the parents were 100% then I certainly wouldnt be buying any of his offspring. Most people are like me and want to know what theyre getting.
Saying people dont know what theyre talking about is awefully rude.
I dont go out of my way to give people advice for no reason. People here are attempting to help the OP make good decisions so that the OP isnt put out in any way. By saying things like "these people dont know what theyre talking about" when neither you nor the OP know any of us can make the OP confused and hurt them in the long run with their decisions.

OP, it would be unwise for you to breed this gecko when you are unsure of her genetics. TBH shes not the quality of gecko I would want to purchase offspring from. If you want a successful season, I would stick to higher quality geckos, purchased from breeders - not from pet stores.

And as someone who owns and runs a petstore, I can tell you what I pay for low quality hypos. It would probably make you rethink your plans.

Did you read the last two sentences of the last paragraph? Or did you just get offended and not read the rest?

I do agree with you that I want to know the genetics of what I am buying. However this person is not a breeder, and I would not be buying from him anyway, and neither would you. The gecko that he showed is a shtctb, would you agree with that? Would you also agree that these are line bred traits and not genetic traits? If he is unsure of whether or not the animal is het for albino then I agree with you, he shouldn't be breeding it to other albino species. But to just say that he shouldn't breed the gecko because he doesn't know the difference between a banana blizzard and a shtctb, doesn't mean he shouldn't breed. However, it does sound to me like he needs to do some more research before breeding.

 

[katie_]

Did you read the last two sentences of the last paragraph? Or did you just get offended and not read the rest?

I do agree with you that I want to know the genetics of what I am buying. However this person is not a breeder, and I would not be buying from him anyway, and neither would you. The gecko that he showed is a shtctb, would you agree with that? Would you also agree that these are line bred traits and not genetic traits? If he is unsure of whether or not the animal is het for albino then I agree with you, he shouldn't be breeding it to other albino species. But to just say that he shouldn't breed the gecko because he doesn't know the difference between a banana blizzard and a shtctb, doesn't mean he shouldn't breed. However, it does sound to me like he needs to do some more research before breeding.

Ovbiously I read your entire post. No one said the OP shouldnt breed their gecko because they need to know how to determine morphs - its because of its unknown hets.

"As for everyone on here saying not to breed her, don't listen to them they don't know what they're talking about. I would agree that if this gecko had genetics that you weren't sure of to not breed her. But this gecko's traits are all line bred."

You pretty much just said "dont listen to anyone else, your gecko is line bred so we know all its genetics". We all know hets cannot be seen.

I'm not going to argue with you, I found your post to be rude and misleading. In no way did that sentence come off as a cautionary statement. You pretty much told him to go for it.
I buy my personal geckos from big name breeders, but I buy low quality geckos for my petstore. I know what I pay and I know hobbiest would snub their noses to my prices as breeding is expensive and $10 a gecko isnt anywhere near breaking even. Often when beginners post on forums asking questions, even when they get 100 "no donts" and only one "yeah go for it", they'll do it! It harms us all.

 

[Ozy]

Well I'm not SURE she's a Banana Blizzard, I just call her that because she's a yellow blizzard. I got her at a large, chain pet store that shall remain un-named, but she is my only gecko and will always be my only gecko as long as she's alive, so I'm not really THAT concerned as to whether or not she's a true banana blizzard. She looks like one though. LOL! She's my spoiled little diva. :sweetheart:

 

[aaronc28]

I'm really not trying to be rude about it. I just feel that someone shouldn't be discouraged from trying to breed just because there may be some unseen hets involved. For someone who only has one leo or maybe even a few, I don't see how this can harm. Even if he tries to sell the offspring, a breeder won't buy them because he can't prove the genetics. Only someone inexperienced or someone wanting them as a pet would buy the gecko's. For instance, you say that you own a petstore and that you sell $10 gecko's. I'm sure that you don't know the exact genetics behind these $10 gecko's. They could be normal gecko's crossed with 2 or more albino lines. This is why breeders wouldn't come in and by these $10 gecko's, they are for pets. When I go to our local reptile expo there are many vendors that sell leo's for a fraction of what name breeders sell them for. These gecko's are much cheaper because they are genetically muddied, and you have no clue as to what the traits are, this is why no serious breeder would buy them. On the other hand we have Ohio gecko and Magical Gecko at the expo, this is who I buy from because they are reputable breeders and have accurate information on the parents and possible hets involved. They are also much more expensive as you know.

 

[Phoenix1115]

My 2 cents.

Breed her if you want to. But don't sell the offspring as a specific morph. Sell them for what they are. If people are just looking for pets then it doesn't matter. And generally, breeders will know better than to buy breeding stock that is of unknown origin.

But like I said, don't label the babies. Be completely honest with what the parents are (blizzard and a suspected SHTCTB with unknown possible hets). From there, people can make their own decisions whether or not to buy.

Just also be prepared to either keep the babies or sell them to a store if no one wants them

 

[Embrace Calamity]

My 2 cents.

Breed her if you want to. But don't sell the offspring as a specific morph. Sell them for what they are. If people are just looking for pets then it doesn't matter. And generally, breeders will know better than to buy breeding stock that is of unknown origin.

But like I said, don't label the babies. Be completely honest with what the parents are (blizzard and a suspected SHTCTB with unknown possible hets). From there, people can make their own decisions whether or not to buy.

Just also be prepared to either keep the babies or sell them to a store if no one wants them

The problem with that method is that:
1) People who are just looking for pets will 99% of the time go to a pet store. If they are knowledgeable on morphs and are looking for something specific, they will go to a breeder or a reptile show. Very few people are going to look for low-end, unspecified morphs from some random person in their house.
2) There are so many of those geckos out there that adding more just isn't necessary, especially since the OP is only going to lose quite a lot of money on this endeavor.
3) I'm fairly certain that pet stores won't just buy some random person's baby leopard geckos. It's my understanding that they have approved dealers that they buy from. If a person just walked in and said, "Hey, I've got some leopard geckos I couldn't sell. Buy them from me," I don't think that would work.

That's all ignoring the principal of the matter and just looking at it rationally. I've seen many ads of people selling low-end morphs and they really have trouble getting rid of them.

~Maggot

 

[Ozy]

Yea.. I didn't know anything about leopard geckos when I went into the pet store. They had them half off. I saw Ozy and fell in love. BUT, before I bought her I came home and researched leopard gecko care. Then, later that same day, I went back and got her and the needed supplies. I impulse bought a chameleon who I spent over $500 on her setup. She ended up having crypto and had to be put down 2 weeks after I got her.. So I learned my lesson from that. My chameleon was a Senegal Chameleon named Patchouli. She was the sweetest little thing. I take comfort in the fact that the last 2 weeks of her life were spent in a HUGE Repti-breeze with 4 big, live plants and all the lighting and stuff she needed, instead of in that little enclosure at the pet store with the 50 other chameleons that were in there.... She loved going outside in the sun and basking in the window. :heart:

 

[acpart]

I have been willing to breed geckos with genetics not completely known in special circumstances and to a limited extent. I think that's very different from just throwing 2 random geckos together to breed. For example, on rare occasion I have gotten a gecko from a big chain pet store "which shall not be named", knowing that due to the supplier, if there is an albino gene it will be Tremper. Offspring are sold with full disclosure.
Interestingly, I do find that a significant percentage of the people who come to the biggest reptile show where I vend (Manchester, NH) are people who are looking for a first reptile pet and do want something that they think is pretty. I actually hope every season that I'll produce a certain number of relatively unremarkable geckos that I can sell for $25 (and some of those have parents where I have complete genetic info). I am always sold out or nearly sold out (I still have 1 left from last season) by January, except my "season from hell" when I produce 90 geckos (never again!) and didn't sell out till May.

Given the nature of this discussion, you should expect to see the "known/unknown genetics" issue making an appearance in a "Prose and Controversies" installment of Gecko Time in the near future.

Aliza

 

[Embrace Calamity]

But you can get into a show. This person is more than likely not going to be able to get into a show and sell a few unknown geckos with their otherwise pretty good inventory (never looked at your geckos, but I'm sure they're good). So while I get what you're saying, your situation and this person's are pretty different.

~Maggot