help in understanding high yellow

[robin]

oh hell marcia you just opened the ten spot or less can LOL

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

LOL, Robin! OK, in the "olden days" anything that had less less than 10 body spots was considered 'hypo'. Actually, the term hypo simply means 'a deficiency of"... or in the case of leopard gecko morphs, it means a deficiency of melanin, or dark spots, in their skin.

 

[Gazz]

A 'high-yellow" is a normal looking gecko that has a yellow background. A 'hypo' is a gecko of yellow or tangerine color that has less than 10 body spots. The gecko you posted that you titled "high-yellow" is actually a hypo!

It must be the USA UK wire's crossed thing USA it maybe back ground color but UK it's reduced spots.So can't win either way.Google hi yellow leopard gecko you see more reduce spotting than leo's with yellower backrounds.But even in RT Book (the herpetoculture of leopard geckos) on page's 170 & 171 it's say's hi yellow for a leo's you called a hypo.

 

[Gazz]

The spotting has nothing to do with it IMO. High Yellow means A LOT of yellow.

When you take away spots on a standed captive leo there is A LOT of yellow :main_thumbsup: .

 

[robin]

When you take away spots on a standed captive leo there is A LOT of yellow :main_thumbsup: .

you are right. the original high yellows had lots of yellow but many many spots as well. start taking away spots is when you start getting into hypo territory and generally that is also combined with tangerine even though the animal may very well look more yellowish

 

[Sally Salamander]

Robin, are you still alive?

Long time, no smell....

We gotta talk and catch up some time ...

 

[robin]

no kidding you sexy sally

 

[Lottiz]

When you take away spots on a standed captive leo there is A LOT of yellow :main_thumbsup: .

Yes, look att this pics.

Zorro, jungle, but very high yellow under all his pattern:

and Bianca, reduce pattern:

But I thougt they had to miss all forms of spots and pattern on their legs to be called high yellow....strange *lol*! I thougt the reduce pattern and all yelowish leggs was a part of the morph

 

[GeckoMandi]

Im more confused now than ever, what else is new? lol

 

[Gazz]

Yes, look att this pics.

Zorro, jungle, but very high yellow under all his pattern:

and Bianca, reduce pattern:

But I thougt they had to miss all forms of spots and pattern on their legs to be called high yellow....strange *lol*! I thougt the reduce pattern and all yelowish leggs was a part of the morph

The way i've always been informed is they hi-yellow/hypo/super hypo are all line bred traits for reduced spotting so;

A (hi-yellow is a line bred normal for reduced spots over all) a (hypo is a line bred hi-yellow for spots on the head & tail only) a (super hypo is a line bred hypo for spot on the tail only) And yes i've alway been told that hi-yellow are ID by near non to no spots on back legs and reduced spotting.For me zorro is a very nice jungle and bianca by most i know would called her a hi-yellow for me she's a reduced normal i like a more uniformed pattern spots only to be in the darker dorsal bands.But as there are no set standed for a hi-yellow i think we will have to agree to diagree or this thred will go on for page's and page's and page's need i go on .

CHANGED MY MIND ON HI-YELLOWS SEE PAGE 2 ON THIS THRED.

 

[Gazz]

that first one isnt a high yellow. it has hypo and tang influence init

For me is a hi-yellow to be hypo it's NO spots on the body not one.It's doesn't get tangerine either to be a tangerine the color has to be more like the orange in the tail.Common people standed neet and tidy there's to much rocky ground with leo's morph they need updating .

I AN NOW GOING WITH ROBIN ON WHAT THIS LEO IS BUT I'M NOT DOING THE 10 SPOT RULE.AS LONG AS THE SPOT ARE IN THE DARKER BAND AREAS ON THE BACK ON THE LEO IT WILL BE A HYPO BUT ANY SPOTS OUT OF THE DARK BAND AREAS THEN IT WILL BE A REDUCED SPOT NORMAL BUT JUST A NORMAL REALLY GO TO PAGE 2 ON THIS THRED .

 

[Sandra]

For me is a hi-yellow to be hypo it's NO spots on the body not one.It's doesn't get tangerine either to be a tangerine the color has to be more like the orange in the tail.Common people standed neet and tidy there's to much rocky ground with leo's morph they need updating .

- High yellow -> Intense yellow background color, regardless of the amount of spots or pattern.

- Tangerine -> Orange background color, regardless of the amount of spots or pattern.

- Hypo -> 10 spots or less in the body, regardless of color, head or tail

- Super hypo -> No spots in the body, regardless of color, head or tail

- Baldy -> No spots in the head, regardless of color, body or tail

That's how it is supposed to be. I consider that making so many differences is a bit stupid, but well, this is how the unwritten 'standard' of leo morphs is. You can call it whatever you want because there isn't any organization that regulates leopard gecko morphs, you can even make up your own morph names, but this is what is accepted by most people.

The combination of pattern and color you are talking about would be called:

- Hypo yellow -> 10 or less spots in the body, yellow background color

- Hypo tangerine -> 10 or less spots in the body, orange background color

It should be the same for all colors, but with snows, not many people has tried pure white geckos with reduced pattern, but The Urban Gecko. And they call hypo snows the geckos with faded pattern, and super hypo snows geckos with reduced pattern. But that's not the normal nomenclature.

- Super hypo tangerine (as far as I know, nobody has tried to get a super hypos from other colors) -> No spots in the body, spots in head and tail, orange background color.

- Super hypo tangerine baldy -> No spots in the body and the head, orange background color.

In line-bred morphs, pattern and color are separate things and should be treated as such when you are classifying a gecko.

As for the question of the first post abot patternless, I think that the easiest way to tell a high colored blizzard from a patternless is to look at the head. Blizzards have white heads while patternless have some color. That usually works for me.

 

[Sally Salamander]

My first kid was high-yellow - until we put her under that heat-lamp thing in the hospital.

She didn't have any spots though, so I suppose she was considered hypo.

 

[eyelids]

LOL!

 

[Kotsay1414]

My understanding of a true Normal and a true High Yellow is no Carrot Tail. Am I right on my thinking or completely off?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

this is how the unwritten 'standard' of leo morphs is. You can call it whatever you want because there isn't any organization that regulates leopard gecko morphs, you can even make up your own morph names, but this is what is accepted by most people.

IMO, this is correct!!! It is the standard we have used since these morphs were first introduced.

My understanding of a true Normal and a true High Yellow is no Carrot Tail. Am I right on my thinking or completely off?

Yes. You are right! The carrot-tail was developed by Ray Hine, and is a completely different morph characterized by the deep orange coloration at the base of the tail... and there is no black pigment in the carroting.

 

[strigoii]

I'm confused, Marcia... She sure has the orange color on her tail now, so that makes her carrot-tail? But she sure has the black pigment too... And one of my Normals has the orange at the base of the tale... I will put photos tomorrow

 

[Kotsay1414]

I'm confused, Marcia... She sure has the orange color on her tail now, so that makes her carrot-tail? But she sure has the black pigment too... And one of my Normals has the orange at the base of the tale... I will put photos tomorrow

The original Normal and High Yellows had no orange at all. The orange came from the Ray Hines line. As for what to call them, I'm sure they could still be called Normals.

 

[robin]

The original Normal and High Yellows had no orange at all. The orange came from the Ray Hines line. As for what to call them, I'm sure they could still be called Normals.

no ray hines was responsible for the hime line hypos and hypo cattortail (with are like codominant) NOT the orange or tangerine. the tangerine is a selectively bred trait

 

[Kotsay1414]

no ray hines was responsible for the hime line hypos and hypo cattortail (with are like codominant) NOT the orange or tangerine. the tangerine is a selectively bred trait

That's what I meant to say, thank you for the correction.