Het Raptor questions and other raptor questions...

[Boanerges]

1.) First off how do you get banded, striped raptors?
2.) If you bred a banded raptor to a snow and got a snow het raptor would it be het banded raptor? Or could you also produce classic raptors with this het?
3.) Does the quality of the raptor making the het effect what the young look like (would it be a good idea to see what the parents look like with hets)? Or is a het raptor just a het raptor and it doesn't matter what the parent looked like that produced it?
Thanks :main_thumbsup:

 

[chazthaking2]

you know thats actually a good question, because i am confused about the same thing. like i had het raptors produce non snake eyed and i had an aptor het raptor breed with a stripe het aptor and the babies came out reverse stripe, jungle, and patternless stripe. so i hope someone answers the question

 

[Boanerges]

Hmmmm, i guess I picked tough questons :main_huh:

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

They usually carry all the pattern genes- jungle, stripe, etc- and the babies express a number of them. As far as the eclipse eyes go, I don't think anyone's proven the extent to which amount will show- some come out snake eyed, some solid, and I don't think the parents' amount matters- breeders have actually proved that- it's unpredictable

 

[ang3l3s]

hey jeff
1) to get banded raptors u would need mack snows as that is the only banded raptors i have seen and a bold or a reverse or red stripe but i have yet to see that
2)to my knowledge i never heard of a banded as a morph unless normal but banded is associated with mack snows, basically mack snow raptors are banded. the snow and banded would be co-dom/dom traits and the raptors are albino/eclipse/patternless which is all recessive so i believe the mack would overcome to some extent. hope that helped a lil.
3) I believe seeing the parent would help just like in bp's but since it is het i think there is luck involved as well so u better pray to the morph gods.
Someone call me on any mistakes i may have made.... can't know it all!!!!

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

hey jeff
1) to get banded raptors u would need mack snows as that is the only banded raptors i have seen and a bold or a reverse or red stripe but i have yet to see that
2)to my knowledge i never heard of a banded as a morph unless normal but banded is associated with mack snows, basically mack snow raptors are banded. the snow and banded would be co-dom/dom traits and the raptors are albino/eclipse/patternless which is all recessive so i believe the mack would overcome to some extent. hope that helped a lil.
3) I believe seeing the parent would help just like in bp's but since it is het i think there is luck involved as well so u better pray to the morph gods.
Someone call me on any mistakes i may have made.... can't know it all!!!!

1,2) Not true. Leos by nature are banded. So if you have a tremper eclipse chances are it's going to be banded (unless it carries the prs genes). There's no need for there to be mack in the line

 

[ang3l3s]

1,2) Not true. Leos by nature are banded. So if you have a tremper eclipse chances are it's going to be banded (unless it carries the prs genes). There's no need for there to be mack in the line

but wasn't he asking bout banded raptors with macks, isn't the p in raptor stand for patternless thus he wants to band it and the only banded raptor i have seen is a mack raptor

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

isn't the p in raptor stand for patternless

Please read up on raptors. Classic raptors are patternless, but raptors genetically are just tremper eclipses. Do a search on here and read the different posts on them. They come in all patterns. Here are a few non-snow banded raptors.

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

Here's an example of one of my own hatchling banded raptors-

It came from a banded raptor x blazing blizzard het eclipse.

In short- in order to get a banded just have a non prs leo in the mix. And sometimes they just pop up. Personally, I thought I liked banded raptors better, but after having a few- the classics are nicer IMO

1.) First off how do you get banded, striped raptors?
2.) If you bred a banded raptor to a snow and got a snow het raptor would it be het banded raptor? Or could you also produce classic raptors with this het?
3.) Does the quality of the raptor making the het effect what the young look like (would it be a good idea to see what the parents look like with hets)? Or is a het raptor just a het raptor and it doesn't matter what the parent looked like that produced it?
Thanks

Back to the matter-

1) These just pop up in breeding- occasionally. If the trempers don't express the prs then they will come out banded, if they carry reverse stripe then some will be striped raptors (or RERS).

2) It would be het raptor and would possibly carry the prs gene, however, it depends on the lineage of the gecko.

3) And yes, it's always good to know the lineage. Seeing the parents allows you to see what the offspring could carry on.

 

[Boanerges]

I like the look of classics better my self also. I was just really wondering if I bred my classic raptor to say a mack snow het raptor would I get:
all classic raptors or a mix of classic, jungle, banded raptors (or does it depend of if the het got to be a het from a classic, jungle or a banded raptor.)

My next thought was what if the mack snow het raptor was fatherd by a banded raptor of classic raptor? Would that have an effect on what types of raptors would hatch out?

I take it if you bred a banded raptor and a classic raptor you would get mix of the two hatching out?

Can you still hatch out classic raptors if the parnets are banded, jungle etc?

Thanks for the help guys and sorry if I am confusing anyone...

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

It all depends on the history of the geckos. If the bandeds carry the prs (which they usually do) then you can expect a mix. Same goes for the mack het raptors.

The best way to find out is to breed them and see what pops out. Haha.

 

[Boanerges]

What is PRS? And you last sentence makes the most sense to me-lol :main_thumbsup: Sounds like that is the best anyone can really do

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

I've been saying prs, I mean Patternless Stripe.

 

[Boanerges]

I've been saying prs, I mean Patternless Stripe.

DOH...Thanks :main_thumbsup:

 

[Wandering Paddle]

if you breed banded raptors (eclipse trempers) you are more likely to get more banded eclipse trempers. if you breed "classics" to other raptors/aptor morphs you are more likely to get patternless stripe and reverse stripe.

There are so many incomplete recessive and polygenic traits at play that it can be hard to know what you will produce.

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

if you breed banded raptors (eclipse trempers) you are more likely to get more banded eclipse trempers. if you breed "classics" to other raptors/aptor morphs you are more likely to get patternless stripe and reverse stripe.

There are so many incomplete recessive and polygenic traits at play that it can be hard to know what you will produce.

+1

 

[ang3l3s]

Please read up on raptors. Classic raptors are patternless, but raptors genetically are just tremper eclipses. Do a search on here and read the different posts on them. They come in all patterns. Here are a few non-snow banded raptors.

hey davey,
I have read on raptors and that is why i say p for patternless,i got 2 rapotrs myself and they are clean, bands are a type of pattern! u wouldn't go to mcdonalds and order a cheeseburger.. get it with no cheese and call it a cheese burger, just like carrot tails need a certain % to be called carrots and baldys have no nmore than 10 dots on there head to be called baldy.
Serious;ly u can't dispute that if we are to be literal here. As i said i have not seen a basic raptor banded so your pics are news to me ( nice though and i think i like those better than plain ones) but seriously maybe banded raptors should be called rabtors instead of raptors

 

[meatgecko]

hey davey,
I have read on raptors and that is why i say p for patternless,i got 2 rapotrs myself and they are clean, bands are a type of pattern! u wouldn't go to mcdonalds and order a cheeseburger.. get it with no cheese and call it a cheese burger, just like carrot tails need a certain % to be called carrots and baldys have no nmore than 10 dots on there head to be called baldy.
Serious;ly u can't dispute that if we are to be literal here. As i said i have not seen a basic raptor banded so your pics are news to me ( nice though and i think i like those better than plain ones) but seriously maybe banded raptors should be called rabtors instead of raptors

they could be called albino eclipse (if snake eyed/eclipsed) :main_huh:

 

[BlackDiamondGeckos]

If you guys want to make new names for already well established trade name be my guest. I'm just stating what the norms are. Raptors usually refer to the patternless, the bandeds are called banded raptors, jungles are called jungle raptors, and striped are called striped raptors or RERS. That's just the way things are. No need to argue with me or call me out on it.

 

[meatgecko]

I wasn't arguing with anyone. but ang3l3s did raise a good point. Trade names are just that names. you can't get around the fact that a raptor is supposed to be patternless.

If you choose to call a albino eclipse a banded/jungle raptor thats fine.