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[paulnj]

mine has 2 eyes like that and can indeed see. It's a mack tremper that I aquired last season with unknown(to me) ancestry.

 

[Gazz]

It's a mack tremper that I aquired last season with unknown(to me) ancestry.

Not sure if this is going to make your head pop with more confusion but here you go.The leo in the link is said to be a albino jungle that came from a albino mack X albino mack breeding with no tremper eclipse blood yet it has partial ruby eyes.As good as the eye genes can look don't you just wish there wasn't any somtimes .Where have they been all these years and why do they all show there self around the same time.How did we go from seeing them no where to every where .

Look at the pictures in the link posted by xxbeardieloverxx and baz they are the same leo.
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/genetics/83099-what-partial-snake-eyes-leo.html

 

[SaSobek]

my Question is where did you get this girl?

because it is posable to have the Raptor/eclipse gean in there

or it could be a deformity causeing the pupil to stay inlarged

what do the babies look like

 

[yellermelon]

Ive seen a bell with one ruby eye, it was from mack breeding also.

 

[godzillizard]

Just curious if anyone knows how long (in generations) it took for captive mice and rats to lose the pigment in their eyes? Maybe all this eye "gene" stuff is a result of these animals being raised in low or no light conditions for 30 or so years!?! Could sunlight then effect eclipse/Raptor eyes? Also, I had a reverse striped LV albino male that had perfect snake eyes--I got him from Garrick D in '05--I shoud see if I can get him back and try to reproduce some LV "eclipse"...

I think Matt's on to something with the pupil staying enlarged idea...these eyes don't look Eclipse to me--you can see the extra reflection from the tapetum lucidum

 

[paulnj]

the offspring look the same as any mack tremper hatchling does , but have some abberancies in pattern from the mother I would assume. The pattern is more like a broken band on one to over exaggerated jungle banding. Typical tremper eyes.

She was the first gecko I aquired from Pat and I do believe it was 2/07 making her a mid 06 hatchling by my estimation. I am sure he can provide atleast who produced it and possible his take on what he noticed for the time he had her.

She has indeed had these eyes since the day I took her home, but I wasn't intuative enough last year to test breed her to a RAPTOR.

eye deformity is a likely cause, but isn't this fun

 

[Pacific Gecko]

Very interesting!

 

[godzillizard]

'deformity' has such a negative conotation, i prefer to think of it as an anomoly...and a really cool looking one at that

Have you tried moving a light (like a key chain LED) orbitally around the eye? you should notice a peculiar refraction of light inside of the eyeball--almost like a tigers eye stone...

Does anyone know what all the lines and genetic ingredients were used to create the Mack snow in the first place? Or what types of geckos the mack snow genes 'emerged' out of?

 

[2.1SRR.YYC]

and mack :main_thumbsup:

I am not claiming it to be a mack tremper eclipse by all means, but those eyes lead me to believe that it's eclipse eyed. I know she's a mack because I hatched a SS tremper from her.

I know someone else mentioned this but what about the Mack Super Snow eye trait? You mention you hatched a SS Tremper from this leo so you know she has Mack Snow genes...
Perhaps she somehow acquired the SS eye gene and it's combining it with the albino genetics to create this odd colored eye?

Sure would be nice if you could single out the SS eye gene!

 

[paulnj]

MTA X MTA gave me SSTA

No clue, but either way it's pretty cool looking like that. Hey I have a mack jungle raptor looking girl , that's cool even if it's a fluke occurance.

 

[boutiquegecko]

Here's one to ponder. Eye is red not black, she's so light sensitive that it's almost impossible to get a good eye shot.

 

[paulnj]

Is that a bell albino?

 

[snared99]

That pqrticular leo came from morgan over at ruthlessreptiles. TO mine and his when bought there was absolutley no raptor genetics there, in fact i dont think he even owners raptors.

I recently got 2 codom het tremper females from paul at brightalbino with the same eyes(but obviously not albino) Again to his knowledge no raptor genes. The eyes almost look dilated, very weird. I would post a pic but my camera isnt working right now. I think this is a quirt of the macks, but would be cool to be genetic.

 

[paulnj]

Thanks for the reply Pat. After much pondering , input and more pondering.... I will test breed her , but am not expecting eclipse eyed animals to be produced. The male offspring will also go to a raptor and the 3 females will eventually visit big brother.

I didn't think raptor genes were in there, but wasn't 100% sure.

Hey good luck with those "abnormal eyed" macks Pat! It would be great to hatch out a new proven gene:main_thumbsup:

 

[Ipsl]

It would be great to hatch out a new proven gene:main_thumbsup:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! j/k

 

[Gazz]

Thanks for the reply Pat. After much pondering , input and more pondering.... I will test breed her , but am not expecting eclipse eyed animals to be produced. The male offspring will also go to a raptor and the 3 females will eventually visit big brother.

Have you concider backing to a mack strain or a blizzard i personally think is't a genetic hiccup the SS eyes early release if you breed it to a mack of any strain or a standed albino blizzard.That's where your result will come from.

 

[paulnj]

No Diablo or BB in my colony of geckos:main_evilgrin: I can put her with a MTA het "raptor", raptor, SSTA, E types...

I will never own a male tremper BB unless it's het something. They just don't do it for me.

 

[Gazz]

No Diablo or BB in my colony of geckos:main_evilgrin: I can put her with a MTA het "raptor", raptor, SSTA, E types...

I will never own a male tremper BB unless it's het something. They just don't do it for me.

Personally i'd leave the eclipse gene out of it as it will give fase result.I think the eye gene is what i call tinted and in blizzard and macks it seem to take hold strat off from the results i've seen.So if you use mack tremper albino het eclipse.With what i think is albino tinted mack snow to a mack it will get very confusing you won't know whether it the eclipse or tinted eye gene.

When i bred my 2% tinted albino blizzard X mack snow het albino & blizzard with no sign of tinted eyes.I got 3 blizzards 2 mack 1 standed.All showed a degree of tinting one of the mack snow blizzard is 100% both eyes.And by this and 420Geckos results this tinted eye gene seems to take hold strate off if the blizzard or mack gene is involed.I haven't seen it 100% prove that it get pasted onto a non mack or blizzard morph as of yet.There is that link i posted in a past post on this thred with the albino jungle with the eye thing. But i've not seen that leo as a hatching so there's a possibly that it could be mack ???.

 

[paulnj]

My only male blizzard is a mack with solid eyes, that'll prove nothing

I bred her to a mack tremper male last year and the offspring's eye all were normal looking, so unless it happens to be a resessive gene(wishfull think), the mack gene played no roll.

 

[eyelids]

Actually if you bred it to that male Snow Blizz you could find out some neat stuff... Like maybe she's het Blizzard or maybe that the Super Snow / Blizzard eye traits aren't linked and I was just hatching those solid eyed Macks by coincidence... That could be proved if they produce solid eyed offspring and she doesn't prove to be het Blizzard...