How can I tell the difference between....?

[RAlbrecht]

SHTCTB is a line-bred trait or poly-genetic meaning basically what you see is what you get, if you are trying to improve color in a Sunglow and you don't have the $$ to do so by just buying a brighter sunglow then adding more color using a SHTCTB and breeding the best babies back could increase color and reduce head pattern. If you want to accomplish a nice sunglow from what you currently have, which is a ok Sunglow Male and a Tang-Tremper female... Keep the best babies you hatch, breed them back to the dad (temp sex for females)... The best babies would be the ones with the most tang, most carrot-tail and least pattern. If you have the money to invest, get a better female and it will bring you closer to your goal which I assume is a Sunglow that glows a ton of orange.

 

[maggiee22195]

If one of the pair is just a nicely marked bright albino then the babies WILL NOT be sunglows in the traditional sense that they are suppose to be patternless on the body (head and tail ok but NOT the body). If you breed sub-par representitives of the breed it will be very difficult to produce outstanding examples of the morph with out several years of line breeding the best to the best. I think you might want to test breed the female to a tremper to truly know for sure what she is. Honestly I think if you have several very experienced leo breeders saying it isn't a sunglow that it is advice worth taking.

I don't need to waste breeding her to a tremper. I know what she is. Both of her parents were tremper sunglows. If actual breeders such as garrick demeyer and the urban gecko sell sunglows with pattern on them, why cant anybody else sell a sunglow that has pattern on it(when they know that their geckos are in fact sunglows)?

 

[maggiee22195]

SHTCTB is a line-bred trait or poly-genetic meaning basically what you see is what you get, if you are trying to improve color in a Sunglow and you don't have the $$ to do so by just buying a brighter sunglow then adding more color using a SHTCTB and breeding the best babies back could increase color and reduce head pattern. If you want to accomplish a nice sunglow from what you currently have, which is a ok Sunglow Male and a Tang-Tremper female... Keep the best babies you hatch, breed them back to the dad (temp sex for females)... The best babies would be the ones with the most tang, most carrot-tail and least pattern. If you have the money to invest, get a better female and it will bring you closer to your goal which I assume is a Sunglow that glows a ton of orange.

Thank you for making that clearer. I think just because this is going to be my first breeding season, I am going to just stick with the female I have and just breed the best offspring that hatch back to the dad. And next year at the next reptile expo (in november), I plan to have more money saved up to get a better female if I need to. I am also going to probably get new morphs also.

 

[RAlbrecht]

Maggie, I'm just trying to help you....

The reason why people like Urban Gecko and Demeyer can sell a sunglow with pattern on them is because they are known in the reptile world... You aren't, so in order to sell one of your animals, its going to be sold for face value, not what you say it is.

 

[Dog Shrink]

Why do you think they're selling the patterned ones? Because they aren't the best example of what a sunglow is suppose to be. They won't use those in their breeding program but I bet they kept the ones with the least patterning to breed back to. You can sell what ever you like but if you're trying to make sunglows properly then your goal should be to get as close to the standard as possible which is patternless on the body.

 

[maggiee22195]

Maggie, I'm just trying to help you....

The reason why people like Urban Gecko and Demeyer can sell a sunglow with pattern on them is because they are known in the reptile world... You aren't, so in order to sell one of your animals, its going to be sold for face value, not what you say it is.

Ok. Thank you for your help. You did help. Like what I said in the previous post to you, I am just going to stick with what I have for my first breeding season. And then when I get more experience I am going to then only keep the better offspring out of my collection.

 

[RAlbrecht]

just remember that with a carrot-tail it does take time to develop, so try to hold onto as many as you can that show the reduced head pattern, so you can really get a lot of carrot-tail

 

[maggiee22195]

just remember that with a carrot-tail it does take time to develop, so try to hold onto as many as you can that show the reduced head pattern, so you can really get a lot of carrot-tail

Are you talking about carrot-tail on the sunglows? My male has some orange on his tail.

 

[RAlbrecht]

Yes, the more CT on a sunglow the better

 

[maggiee22195]

Yes, the more CT on a sunglow the better

Alright. Thank you for letting me know. Do you know how long it takes for it to develop?

 

[Dog Shrink]

Not to get off track but how'd the reptile show go? wasn't that today?

 

[maggiee22195]

Not to get off track but how'd the reptile show go? wasn't that today?

I actually didn't end up going. The breeder offered to meet me somewhere else on Friday night and so I just picked the geckos up from her. I wish I could have gone but I have been sick for two weeks and I haven't been able to do much of anything.

 

[Dog Shrink]

Aw that's too bad.

 

[maggiee22195]

Aw that's too bad.

I know. But I am still really happy I got my geckos. That is all I really wanted.

 

[Dog Shrink]

yeah but going to the show would have given you the chance to pick the brains of a lot of experienced herpers. Hopefully your breeder is a hands on kinda gal and will stick around to offer any help you might need.

 

[maggiee22195]

yeah but going to the show would have given you the chance to pick the brains of a lot of experienced herpers. Hopefully your breeder is a hands on kinda gal and will stick around to offer any help you might need.

Yeah. My breeder is very nice. She has helped me a lot and will continue to.

 

[roger]

Ok. But I am just a beginner starting out. I am not going to pay $600 for a breeding pair of the best sunglows. I am going to get two nice sunglows (which i did) and I am going to breed them. I think they are pretty and the babies will also look nice and the babies will be sunglow. Thank you for your answers though! :main_yes:

maggie I also have a sunglow with a pattern.Mine is a low quality sunglow,but none the less she has gorgeous colour.

 

[Gazz]

<-------My avatar pic is of my male sunglow.
The picture that I attached is of my female sunglow.

Your male is a Talbino super hypo tangerine, In the uk it would get tagged as a Sunglow.
Your female is a Talbino hypo tangerine, In the UK it would get tagged as a Hybino.

 

[richardrojas]

Maggiee as you said before you are starting with gecko and is what happened already with all of us. When you start in to something new is always a good idea to ask but isn't good to beleive what only one person told you. It is always good to check the leopard gecko wiki since there you can find how all the morphs are defined. In my case if I am going to buy you a Sunglow and I see pattern on it I will tell you that it isn't a Sunglow and I think that almost all of the most experienced members would tell you the same. But I think that from you breeders you still having some chance to hatch couples of SHTCT Albinos (Sunglows).

 

[Nighthawk]

Hi Guys,

Just to share my sunglow,thks.