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Nat ... thanks for the post.:main_thumbsup:
Nat ... thanks for the post.:main_thumbsup:
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That sounds like a promising product Elliot. I'll try a free bottle! 
lol. Seriously though, very kind of you to offer the medicine to this gecko in need.
I suspect that as a scientist, Anna, you probably find it easier than most of us to trust your intellect in this type of situation. Most of us on this forum are probably already in debt, and we would gladly go further in debt to keep our geckos healthy. The average per household credit card debt alone in the U.S. is $8,000. I know I've bought a lot of reptile supplies and for that matter, geckos with a credit card.
I'm just saying, a couple hundred dollars of debt that may or may not happen is not the end of the world. We're all on the same sinking ship anyway. Don't let these bankers and politicians scare you too much. Just think of it this way... With 8 Trillion dollars worth of bailouts, the money is barely worth the paper it's printed on anyway. What's a few hundred bucks to save an animal? What if gas was still over $4/gallon? You would have put that money in your gas tank.
When you are an animals' caregiver, you take on the responsibility to do whatever you can to help that creature. It has no one else. I don't know the exact situation, but your husband and now you have that same responsibility for this gecko that you have for the dogs. I have dogs too, I know how it is.
So whether it means letting someone adopt the gecko, or maybe trying this alternative medicine and a few other suggestions, I'm sure you'll do the best thing for the gecko. I don't think you would have posted in the first place if you didn't want to help the little guy. It is admirable that you've already tested for parasites and bacteria.
Have you tried completely disinfecting the geckos' enclosure and replacing everything in it with new stuff? If the gecko started fasting after the move, part of the cause could be environmental stress. Is the gecko in a bright or loud room? Is there a cooling or heating duct blowing directly at his enclosure that could be bothering him? What substrate is he on? Could he have intestinal impaction from ingesting sand?
It's also possible that he ate mealworms which were raised in bedding that contained pesticides. That was a situation known as the "Mealworm Meltdown" that happened this year. Most of us are well aware of it.
In any event, please keep us posted and best of luck.
lol. Seriously though, very kind of you to offer the medicine to this gecko in need.I suspect that as a scientist, Anna, you probably find it easier than most of us to trust your intellect in this type of situation. Most of us on this forum are probably already in debt, and we would gladly go further in debt to keep our geckos healthy. The average per household credit card debt alone in the U.S. is $8,000. I know I've bought a lot of reptile supplies and for that matter, geckos with a credit card.
I'm just saying, a couple hundred dollars of debt that may or may not happen is not the end of the world. We're all on the same sinking ship anyway. Don't let these bankers and politicians scare you too much. Just think of it this way... With 8 Trillion dollars worth of bailouts, the money is barely worth the paper it's printed on anyway. What's a few hundred bucks to save an animal? What if gas was still over $4/gallon? You would have put that money in your gas tank.
When you are an animals' caregiver, you take on the responsibility to do whatever you can to help that creature. It has no one else. I don't know the exact situation, but your husband and now you have that same responsibility for this gecko that you have for the dogs. I have dogs too, I know how it is.
So whether it means letting someone adopt the gecko, or maybe trying this alternative medicine and a few other suggestions, I'm sure you'll do the best thing for the gecko. I don't think you would have posted in the first place if you didn't want to help the little guy. It is admirable that you've already tested for parasites and bacteria.
Have you tried completely disinfecting the geckos' enclosure and replacing everything in it with new stuff? If the gecko started fasting after the move, part of the cause could be environmental stress. Is the gecko in a bright or loud room? Is there a cooling or heating duct blowing directly at his enclosure that could be bothering him? What substrate is he on? Could he have intestinal impaction from ingesting sand?
It's also possible that he ate mealworms which were raised in bedding that contained pesticides. That was a situation known as the "Mealworm Meltdown" that happened this year. Most of us are well aware of it.
In any event, please keep us posted and best of luck.
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You Right I apologize for turning this into an argument at any rate I'm sure there is someone, maybe even someone on here who will take that gecko and will make sure that it gets proper treatment. I dont like many animals or even see why some people take them to the vet but everyone is right, if you own the animal then it is your responsibility to get it proper care,that is why I dont own those animals and even if I did I could not sit back and watch an animal die. Also as a person who is studying law extensivly and due to the fact that I have consulted my local chief of police who is also my teacher I can tell you that this is considered animal crultey, not just in my state but yours as well, and it is punishible by heavy fines and depending on your case jail time. Before you go buy another, living, breathing animal make sure that you are willing to provide proper care!!
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I do not understand why you think lizards shun human contact. That is nowhere true in many cases. Sure, they may not be able to approach you and show you affection the same way a dog would, but they do show you affection in the only ways they can. (Such as: allowing you to handle them, responding to your voice, etc.) I also have a dog myself, and I do not value my gecko any more or less than I value my dog. If anything were to happen to either of them, I would be heart broken. I cannot understand what harm bringing the gecko to the vet would do. The vet would hopefully give you options, to which you would than make a decision based on the information you can get from him/her. I would suggest having your husband bring the gecko into the vet. In order to make a rational decision about the health and well being of this animal, you would need to have a connection or emotional attachment to it. Judging by the fact that you are calling it "that reptile" I would say you lack an emotional attachment. Geckos are living, breathing things just like a dog is. They deserve better than being left to die because you don`t think there is anything a vet can do. What harm would there be in taking it to a vet and deciding from there what options you have?
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Elliot, I think giving Anna some of your 'Reptaid' is a wonderful thing to do.
Anna, you came and posted on this forum for help with your husband's dying gecko. You have been given LOTS of good advice and don't seem to be open to any of the suggestions, so I really don't know what else to say or do.... and I am not sure why you even posted or what you expected to hear from a community of people who love and care for their geckos.
I just hate to see a beautiful, gentle creature suffer for being denied the necessary veterinary diagnosis and treatment it needs. Here in California, denying ANY animal necessary veterinary care is actually considered animal cruelty and neglect, and is against the law.
Anna, you came and posted on this forum for help with your husband's dying gecko. You have been given LOTS of good advice and don't seem to be open to any of the suggestions, so I really don't know what else to say or do.... and I am not sure why you even posted or what you expected to hear from a community of people who love and care for their geckos.
I just hate to see a beautiful, gentle creature suffer for being denied the necessary veterinary diagnosis and treatment it needs. Here in California, denying ANY animal necessary veterinary care is actually considered animal cruelty and neglect, and is against the law.
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Marcia
thanks for the comments. I just hope Anna contacts me so I can get the Reptaid to her.
thanks for the comments. I just hope Anna contacts me so I can get the Reptaid to her.
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Well I like all the harsh judgements....very nice...especially golden geckos moderator stating that I am not receptive to anything. Nice.
Even though the moderators here appear to like to start arguments instead of trying to help, I have taken some of the advice here. I disfect the tank, cleaned things out, moved the tank to a quite location, and so forth. Just because I refuse to treat a LIZARD with MEDICAL TREATMENT, does not mean that I am not receptive to advice, I have taken and processed alot of opinions on this page.
Dogs have been breed for human contact, the first wolves came to human camps for food and became reliant on these humans. Much different than us going into the wild and taking lizards for pets. The lizard is not suffering. I urge you all to not to anthropomorphize. When animals go into starvation mode, they do not suffer. I know this personally. They dont feel hunger anymore. I wish people would have this same sympathy for their kids, living conditions, their communities, their home, the starving people, with abortions, with euthanasia, with the death penalty and so forth. From me to you, get over it. This is a lizard after all....people without unlimiting resources try to save a lizard from a pet store, from an irresponsible breeder and they do the best they possibly can. Learn, accept it, and realize that I AM NOT BAD.
There is a heirarchy on medical treatment, and most of you have no clue my personal predicament, where I am financially, how much debt I am in, what my personal family and my responsibilities are. Without all this information, I really see it quite irresponsible to voice your opinions, but this is the internet, and I highly doubt these types of judgements would be made if You were talking to me in person.
I need to ask my husband if we can give out our address for the reptaid. Sounds like a great Idea. I am very much into herbal remedies and find they are very much warranted in many cases.
Even though the moderators here appear to like to start arguments instead of trying to help, I have taken some of the advice here. I disfect the tank, cleaned things out, moved the tank to a quite location, and so forth. Just because I refuse to treat a LIZARD with MEDICAL TREATMENT, does not mean that I am not receptive to advice, I have taken and processed alot of opinions on this page.
Dogs have been breed for human contact, the first wolves came to human camps for food and became reliant on these humans. Much different than us going into the wild and taking lizards for pets. The lizard is not suffering. I urge you all to not to anthropomorphize. When animals go into starvation mode, they do not suffer. I know this personally. They dont feel hunger anymore. I wish people would have this same sympathy for their kids, living conditions, their communities, their home, the starving people, with abortions, with euthanasia, with the death penalty and so forth. From me to you, get over it. This is a lizard after all....people without unlimiting resources try to save a lizard from a pet store, from an irresponsible breeder and they do the best they possibly can. Learn, accept it, and realize that I AM NOT BAD.
There is a heirarchy on medical treatment, and most of you have no clue my personal predicament, where I am financially, how much debt I am in, what my personal family and my responsibilities are. Without all this information, I really see it quite irresponsible to voice your opinions, but this is the internet, and I highly doubt these types of judgements would be made if You were talking to me in person.
I need to ask my husband if we can give out our address for the reptaid. Sounds like a great Idea. I am very much into herbal remedies and find they are very much warranted in many cases.
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You find it irresponsible for us to Voice our opinions?? Did you not come to US to ask US for Some advice for your Husbands Gecko? Or did we come to you?
Golden Gate Geckos Has Just Lost a very Dear Gecko. I would appreciate it if you Checked out the Post and saw everyones reaction. Here is the Link: http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=31397.
This is a Gecko That 99% of us have never and unfortunately will never see. A good 90% of the people responding have never Met Marcia in Person. But the Love that we all share for these animal, all animals, is the same. Which is why we come together each and every Day on this forum.
"They dont feel Hunger??? And "You know this Personally???" I truely do not understand this. Unless the Animal has told you "Hey i havent eaten in days but its ok i feel fine" how would you know? I am not trying to be difficult i am just having a hard time grasping this concept.
Again i wish all the Best to the Gecko.
Golden Gate Geckos Has Just Lost a very Dear Gecko. I would appreciate it if you Checked out the Post and saw everyones reaction. Here is the Link: http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=31397.
This is a Gecko That 99% of us have never and unfortunately will never see. A good 90% of the people responding have never Met Marcia in Person. But the Love that we all share for these animal, all animals, is the same. Which is why we come together each and every Day on this forum.
"They dont feel Hunger??? And "You know this Personally???" I truely do not understand this. Unless the Animal has told you "Hey i havent eaten in days but its ok i feel fine" how would you know? I am not trying to be difficult i am just having a hard time grasping this concept.
Again i wish all the Best to the Gecko.
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Well since I am getting threatened with fines, jailtime and so forth, I guess I cant give out my home address. It was a nice thought with Reptaid. I guess I will continue to forcefeed him and keep him happy until his dying day.
Anyways, I would have tried reptaid, or give him to someone else, but now I am scared. People really have turned this into a mess. I just cant believe it. I hope the next newb that comes to these forums looking for help is not received in the same manner. I hope you have learned something. Instead of trying to help this poor lizard, you all have made an enemy with your judgements and so forth. You should all learn that to move people to act, you have to try to convince someone, not threaten them.
Best of luck with everything, I bid you all farewell.
Anna
Anyways, I would have tried reptaid, or give him to someone else, but now I am scared. People really have turned this into a mess. I just cant believe it. I hope the next newb that comes to these forums looking for help is not received in the same manner. I hope you have learned something. Instead of trying to help this poor lizard, you all have made an enemy with your judgements and so forth. You should all learn that to move people to act, you have to try to convince someone, not threaten them.
Best of luck with everything, I bid you all farewell.
Anna
If you are trying to make us look as if it is our fault if this animal dies, sorry but it doesn't work, we all know who would be guilty if that's the case
Trying to take revenge on people because they said things you don't like to hear using an animal's well-being as a weapon is cruel, childish, and uneffective.Why not contact Gesang by e-mail or phone? I'm pretty sure admins have access to the private messages through the database, but with these other means no one in the forums would be able to access your personal information. And since Gesang is a professional, he/she would look quite bad if she did a bad use of your address. I think it's safe.
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I think I would be curious about what the husband has to say about all this, being a gecko lover. I find it interesting that you are on here under his account and posting these questions. Where does he stand in all this, being that it is his pet?
I didn't see anyone threaten anyone else.
I hope the gecko can get the care and attention it needs to survive. Otherwise, I think that the nicest thing you could do for it would be to humanely put it down.
I didn't see anyone threaten anyone else.
I hope the gecko can get the care and attention it needs to survive. Otherwise, I think that the nicest thing you could do for it would be to humanely put it down.
That's what I have been thinking through this whole thread, WHERE
is the husband?
Oh well, no matter now, I think we scared her away! :main_lipsrsealed:
Funny thing, she lives in my town! it's a small town, she could live
across the street from me for all I know!
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Threatened??? You have GOT to be kidding! How on earth do you equate being told about a law in my State with being threatened? Many of the people on this forum feel that blatant refusal to provide the proper veterinary care for their animals equates to neglect and abuse.Cheaton said:
I really am having a problem with your rationale, Anna. I just feel heartsick for your husband's gecko... and your husband.
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You are the one who caused all these problems, you could have simply said from the begining that you could not afford a vet .But no you went through extesive efforts to devalue the worth of this gecko's life. Your a scientist but you can't afford a $35 vet exam.(BS) You can afford $4000 for your dog but not $35 for a vet exam(BS). I don't think you really came here looking for help I think you Either wanted someone to give you the o.k. to euthanize it so that it wasn't on your concience, or your trying to stir us all up for kicks. And were is your husband during all of this, It's his gecko how come he doesn't take it to the vet, make the slurry,or do any thing? how would you know something doesn't feel pain when dieing of hunger have you experienced this? I hope you do get face with animal cruelty charges, than maybe after that you'll look back and think how much cheaper the vet visit would have been! I don't know how much debt you have, but I'm willing to bet that half the things you bought didn't involve a lifes decision yet you still swiped that card and purchased it any way. If your in debt why did you take on a second dog?
I know I'll probably get banned for this message but I don't care at this point your worth it!
YOU DON"T DESERVE TO OWN PETS!!!
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I know I'll probably get banned for this message but I don't care at this point your worth it!
YOU DON"T DESERVE TO OWN PETS!!!
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kyahbean
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That's what I have been thinking through this whole thread, WHERE
is the husband?
Oh well, no matter now, I think we scared her away! :main_lipsrsealed:
Funny thing, she lives in my town! it's a small town, she could live
across the street from me for all I know!
Well if she does come back, maybe you could take the gecko for her and get it help or rescue or something. I keep picturing this little gecko on a little operating table being injected with random drugs by some crazed person in a white lab coat.
(I know, Anna, if you are reading this, that is not what is happening, so please don't take offense, I'm not trying to insult you, I just haven't seen pictures of the gecko posted and all I can deduce is what I've read from this disturbing thread. I have an overactive imagination.)
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Marcia, I believe she was talking about my post as I informed her that I had talked to the chief of police in my area (who also happens to be one of my teachers) and that according to him in the state in which she lives, not providing the nessacary vet care for this animal is against the law which is punishable by heavy fines or jail time.
And there is such a thing as a private message that only you and the seller/provider of this Repti-aid would see, so don't try and turn your carelessness around on us! :main_thumbsdown:
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disgusting...
And i hope the next newb that comes here actually gives a damn about their animals.
You've made alot of enemies here. What do you expect when you say "this gecko is sick how do i treat it, but it better be cheap because it's just a lizard.... Oh and i can't grind up mealworms to feed it either cuz thats mean, but you feed it mealworms,,,whats the difference?
You are a disgrace and shouldn't be allowed to own a goldfish let alone reproduce your own species....
Sorry to the mods for the language and content- delete it if you want but it's how I feel.
Breanna
And i hope the next newb that comes here actually gives a damn about their animals.
You've made alot of enemies here. What do you expect when you say "this gecko is sick how do i treat it, but it better be cheap because it's just a lizard.... Oh and i can't grind up mealworms to feed it either cuz thats mean, but you feed it mealworms,,,whats the difference?
You are a disgrace and shouldn't be allowed to own a goldfish let alone reproduce your own species....
Sorry to the mods for the language and content- delete it if you want but it's how I feel.
Breanna
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This makes me so sad... This poor thing having to go through this... I really hope that she comes to her senses and realizes what she is doing to the gecko by not getting the proper care and attention. Simply, you never know what can be done to help any animal unless you take every step possible to help it. This includes vet visits. Everyone here is trying to help this gecko as much as we can by giving you options. However, for us not being able to see what kind of condition it is and reading everything that you have described, really the only thing most of us (unless there is a vet here) can say is take it to a vet, get it looked at. If the vet cannot diagnose what is wrong, than you and your husband can decide from there whether you want to put it down. Or, you could give it to someone on this forum who has the means to look after this animal.
This poor thing having to go through this... I really hope that she comes to her senses and realizes what she is doing to the gecko by not getting the proper care and attention. Simply, you never know what can be done to help any animal unless you take every step possible to help it. This includes vet visits. Everyone here is trying to help this gecko as much as we can by giving you options. However, for us not being able to see what kind of condition it is and reading everything that you have described, really the only thing most of us (unless there is a vet here) can say is take it to a vet, get it looked at. If the vet cannot diagnose what is wrong, than you and your husband can decide from there whether you want to put it down. Or, you could give it to someone on this forum who has the means to look after this animal.
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We are all very attached to our geckos, to us they are part of our family just like a dog or cat would be. So it is hard for us to understand why you would refuse to even call vets and tell them the symptoms. Maybe they can suggest something over the phone. OR call and ask them what their prices for appointments are. You may be able to find someone who is willing to see it for free if they see how urgent it is.
I really want to be nice and not scare you away. . .
From what I read no one has threatened you in any way they are just making you aware of things you might not be aware of. As for the gecko I think you've reached the limit you see as to how far you were willing to go for just a "lizard" so like I suggested before put it down or find a rescue.
I found both of these rescues in MD...
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/MD153.html
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/MD285.html
I don't think its fair to sit there and watch him die. You might be a scientist and have more insight then me but why medicate him with so many different medications if you weren't positive with the diagnosis? That might have caused a problem and the overall stress of having to be constantly hand fed might not be helping either. So like I said put him down or find someone or a rescue that doesn't see him as just a lizard and can take the proper steps in helping him recover if it isn't to late.
This little creatures are amazing I read a thread here where someone had a gecko that went off food for months. She went from like 30-40 grams down to the teens or something like that. Suprisingly with some slurry, TLC and vet care the leo is up and about after being near death.
Does anyone else believe that after 6-8months of not eating that he might have liver problems? I know they can get that Fatty Liver Disease after starvation but I don't know what the time period is like.
From what I read no one has threatened you in any way they are just making you aware of things you might not be aware of. As for the gecko I think you've reached the limit you see as to how far you were willing to go for just a "lizard" so like I suggested before put it down or find a rescue.
I found both of these rescues in MD...
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/MD153.html
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/MD285.html
I don't think its fair to sit there and watch him die. You might be a scientist and have more insight then me but why medicate him with so many different medications if you weren't positive with the diagnosis? That might have caused a problem and the overall stress of having to be constantly hand fed might not be helping either. So like I said put him down or find someone or a rescue that doesn't see him as just a lizard and can take the proper steps in helping him recover if it isn't to late.
This little creatures are amazing I read a thread here where someone had a gecko that went off food for months. She went from like 30-40 grams down to the teens or something like that. Suprisingly with some slurry, TLC and vet care the leo is up and about after being near death.
Does anyone else believe that after 6-8months of not eating that he might have liver problems? I know they can get that Fatty Liver Disease after starvation but I don't know what the time period is like.
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