i know i'm an idiot

[Drunvalo]

ok.

it turns out my 36 gram albino is gravid. what are the chances of her passing the eggs without problem?
btw, a vet isn't in the cards.

 

[fallen_angel]

hmmm... Well unfortuantely it will take a lot out of her, likely to decrease her lifespan and ability to lay eggs in the future (I believe).. I really don't know the exact consequences from personal experience or anything, but this is how it was explained to me: It's pretty much like a 12-year-old having a baby. Obviosuly, a 12-year-old is way too young to bear a child and a lot of complications can happen. Breeding is a risky business as it is with leos of proper weight, let alone underweight females.

I suppose your best bet would be to make sure she is getting all of the proper supplements (calcium daily, calcium with D3 twice a week, and multi-vitamins twice a week) and try feeding her fatty foods to bulk her up a bit. Waxworms and pinkie mice are the best for this, but don't feed those too often (try two or three times a week maybe?) as they don't make a very good diet when they are the only food being offered.

Also, depending on how bad things get (I say this because there's always diversity.. maybe you'll get lucky and she will be okay) you may need a vet regardless, if you want to save her life.

 

[david13]

She will lose a lot of weight im sure... good luck

 

[Drunvalo]

i'll keep you guys updated.

 

[Nigel4less]

If she does live through it she will be very lucky, but she will be in my prayers

 

[Ccrashca069]

Also you better get some liquid calcium. Laying eggs that young will put alot of stress on her body. She will need all the calcium, vitamins and food you can give her.

 

[GeckoRing]

Waxworms and pinkie mice are the best for this, but don't feed those too often (try two or three times a week maybe?) as they don't make a very good diet when they are the only food being offered.

Make sure you don't feed that many pinkie mice. One would do, you could give another in a month or so. Too many mice can lead to liver problems very quickly. As stated before, extra calcium would be a must. Good luck!

 

[Drunvalo]

she's in the egg laying box right now, so we'll see what happens.:worried2:
i'll go and get some liquid calcium at the pet store soon.
thanks, everyone, for all the replys!

 

[Stitch]

I had a female lay at that weight just fine. She was laying infertile eggs though, so I don't know how much difference that would make. She laid about 8 clutchs. After each clutch she ate a ton and picked wieght back up until she laid the next clutch. Cooling her didn't help. I just made sure she got all the proper treatment (food, egg laying box, supplements).


This may or may not hurt her in the long run. My female has been my most prolific since then.

I know this will come off as rude but I think you should really think hard about this. You said,

...a vet isn't in the cards...

. If that is the case then you really shouldn't be breeding. Just like any other animal they will get sick and will need a vet. I see that you are 15, if you don't have a job then that probably means your parents would be paying the vet bill. But that is between you & your parents.

If you can't afford a vet, you can't afford the pet.

 

[goReptiles]

Also you better get some liquid calcium. Laying eggs that young will put alot of stress on her body. She will need all the calcium, vitamins and food you can give her.

Liquid calcium in excess is not healthy for geckos. It can clot in their bodies.

This may or may not hurt her in the long run. My female has been my most prolific since then.

I know this will come off as rude but I think you should really think hard about this. You said, . If that is the case then you really shouldn't be breeding. Just like any other animal they will get sick and will need a vet. I see that you are 15, if you don't have a job then that probably means your parents would be paying the vet bill. But that is between you & your parents.

If you can't afford a vet, you can't afford the pet.

Ditto!

The only thing I disagree with this post is that breeding at such a small weight can cut the lifespan. If I remember correctly, someone on the forums (I believe Marcia but I could be wrong) mentioned that breeding geckos in the 30 gram range can cut their lifespan to 2-3 years. But I can't find the post, so I could have remembered it wrong.

 

[Ccrashca069]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ccrashca069
Also you better get some liquid calcium. Laying eggs that young will put alot of stress on her body. She will need all the calcium, vitamins and food you can give her.


Liquid calcium in excess is not healthy for geckos. It can clot in their bodies.

I have liquid calcium but it is from the vet. It is also precribed by weight. That comment was ment for him to go to the vet and get it and the precribed amounts.

 

[goReptiles]

Understood. I too have some from my vet and it's prescribed per weight, but even still it can clot in excess. My girls almost never get it. I just keep it on hand.

 

[Stitch]

The only thing I disagree with this post is that breeding at such a small weight can cut the lifespan. If I remember correctly, someone on the forums (I believe Marcia but I could be wrong) mentioned that breeding geckos in the 30 gram range can cut their lifespan to 2-3 years. But I can't find the post, so I could have remembered it wrong.

I just want to clear something up Whitney.

My female was not with a male, she was laying infertile eggs (8 clutches). Her weight seesawed throughout. I'm not saying it was healthy or good for her, but I was just saying that she can live through it.

It may or may not cut some time off of her life expectancy. There wasn't much I could do for her, I tried cooling her with no luck. In my case she has been my best breeder since then.

I only say this to let Cody know that she can live through this. I don't recommend do it again if at all possible.

 

[Drunvalo]

I had a female lay at that weight just fine. She was laying infertile eggs though, so I don't know how much difference that would make. She laid about 8 clutchs. After each clutch she ate a ton and picked wieght back up until she laid the next clutch. Cooling her didn't help. I just made sure she got all the proper treatment (food, egg laying box, supplements).


This may or may not hurt her in the long run. My female has been my most prolific since then.

I know this will come off as rude but I think you should really think hard about this. You said, . If that is the case then you really shouldn't be breeding. Just like any other animal they will get sick and will need a vet. I see that you are 15, if you don't have a job then that probably means your parents would be paying the vet bill. But that is between you & your parents.

If you can't afford a vet, you can't afford the pet.

thanks for the advice on the first paragraph.

the thing is, i started breeding before my parents got a divorce. back then we could've taken them to the vet. but right now my mom doesn't have a job. basically, we've just hit a rough-patch, thats all. if people who couldn't afford a vet every once in a while weren't allowed to have geckos, this forum wouldn't exist, because nobody would own geckos. maybe i should just go to my mom and try and get her to go to las vegas (which is 200 miles away) for a very expensive vet visit for something that might kill my gecko.

i really really hate it when people who think they are helping try to lecture me on things they know nothing about, on subjects they really have no right lecturing me on, so next time, let's just answer my question and move on to the next thread.:main_thumbsup:

 

[goReptiles]

I just want to clear something up Whitney.

My female was not with a male, she was laying infertile eggs (8 clutches). Her weight seesawed throughout. I'm not saying it was healthy or good for her, but I was just saying that she can live through it.

It may or may not cut some time off of her life expectancy. There wasn't much I could do for her, I tried cooling her with no luck. In my case she has been my best breeder since then.

I only say this to let Cody know that she can live through this. I don't recommend do it again if at all possible.

I wasn't speaking about you. I was just talking about in general breeding at a low weight. I wasn't saying that you did.

The way I understood from the post I still can't find is that it cuts the lifespan to 2-3 years not takes 2-3 years off of lifespan. I dunno. I understand that sometimes they ovulate and lay eggs early without being paired with a male, but people should do what they can to prevent and stop the egg laying. You tried, and you gecko has made it so far. She just may have had a lot of bodily stress early on that may shorten the lifespan a good deal.

the thing is, i started breeding before my parents got a divorce. back then we could've taken them to the vet. but right now my mom doesn't have a job. basically, we've just hit a rough-patch, thats all. if people who couldn't afford a vet every once in a while weren't allowed to have geckos, this forum wouldn't exist, because nobody would own geckos. maybe i should just go to my mom and try and get her to go to las vegas (which is 200 miles away) for a very expensive vet visit for something that might kill my gecko.

i really really hate it when people who think they are helping try to lecture me on things they know nothing about, on subjects they really have no right lecturing me on, so next time, let's just answer my question and move on to the next thread.:main_thumbsup:

So you knew before they got the divorce that the gecko was too small to breed and you did it anyway?

I think that the comment was made becasue of how you put it. No one was saying that you shouldn't have geckos because you can't afford (right now) to take them to the vet, because things happen to everyone where money gets low. But (no offense) you're 15, if you can't afford your reptiles on your own, then maybe you should not have thought about breeding, whereas your mother pays for things for you, it seems. I'm only going off of your story of your mother driving you and paying for treatment that may or may not work. I don't know you personally.

I don't think there was a lecture. So I'd suggest not getting snappy when someone's trying to help.

Cody, I think if you just wait it out, the gecko will lay the eggs. But don't breed them until they're at least 50 grams.

 

[Mel&Keith]

i really really hate it when people who think they are helping try to lecture me on things they know nothing about, on subjects they really have no right lecturing me on, so next time, let's just answer my question and move on to the next thread.:main_thumbsup:

Cody, when you start a new thread entitled "i know im an idiot" and just say that you are flat out not going to take you gecko to the vet if there are complications from breeding them way too young, then yes, people are going to be concerned about the gecko. You may perceive those responses as being a lecture but perhaps those are the type of responses you deserve.

If you had started in a more mature manner and explained that unexpected personal issues were the reason you couldn't afford the vet and that you now understand that breeding geckos that young can be very harmful to them, you wouldn't have felt attacked by the answers you might have gotten.

So maybe next time you should also stay on topic and not make things personal.

 

[fallen_angel]

The way I understood from the post I still can't find is that it cuts the lifespan to 2-3 years not takes 2-3 years off of lifespan.

I have read this over and over and still don't understand what you're saying? I don't understand the difference. I think I know what post you're talking about, though, because I remember reading something about that..

 

[david13]

it cuts the lifespan to 2-3 years not takes 2-3 years off of lifespan.

those sound the same to me

 

[goReptiles]

Jess, from what I understood from the comment, it meant that the lifespan was 2-3 years versus it 2-3years less than the average 15-20years. But it could have been the other way around.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I really really hate it when people who think they are helping try to lecture me on things they know nothing about, on subjects they really have no right lecturing me on, so next time, let's just answer my question and move on to the next thread.:main_thumbsup:

I agree... when you start a thread knowing you are an idiot, you really can't get your underwear in a wad when you get a lecture. I'm not implying that you are an idiot... it's just that you are leaving yourself wide open for criticism.

We ALL have personal issues to deal with in our lives. Our animals should not have to suffer the consequences for it, though. Right?