Is she a giant????

[ddkgeckos]

Hi guys,

This girl has put on 15grms in a month shes 5months old and now weighs 60grms. Seems like a big weight for a gecko that is only 5mths old as you can see she is defo not overweight so my question is do you think she may be a giant or could it just be a growth spurt. I have never had any giants so i dont know how big they should be at this age. But ive never had one put on as much weight in a short period of time either.

 

[Dog Shrink]

Could very well be a giant. Check out Designer Geckos page in the sponsors above. Check out their sales page for giants. That will give you a better idea for weights to age ratios imo.

 

[ddkgeckos]

Could very well be a giant. Check out Designer Geckos page in the sponsors above. Check out their sales page for giants. That will give you a better idea for weights to age ratios imo.

That my friend is a great idea, thanks

 

[Dog Shrink]

Thats me... chok full of great ideas... kinda like a muse You're welcome.

 

[ddkgeckos]

Thats me... chok full of great ideas... kinda like a muse You're welcome.

I would of thought of it eventually just wanted to give you guys a chance:main_rolleyes:

Well shes actually bigger than most of em, took me a while to figure it out though as im from england i was reading the dates wrong as we go dd/mm/yyyy and you lot go mm/dd/yyyy so was a bit puzzled when on weighed 60grms and was born in december this year, lol:main_huh:

 

[Jordan]

wow at 60g at that age id say its definitely giant. unless your scales are rigged lol

 

[JordanAng420]

Wait a minute... from my understanding of genetics, size isn't the only thing that constitutes being a "giant". The animal has to have a "giant" parent to be a true giant. It's a Co-Dominant trait.

My best advice is to ask the original breeder if either parent was a giant or a super giant.

Yes, size is obviously the result of the animal being a "giant" if it is indeed one.

But the whole thing about "giants" is that it's all about the genetics of the animal in question, and not so much about it's size.

I have a male that's 10 and a half inches and 115 grams...he's a big boy, but he's not a giant because I know neither one of his parents were.

I kinda get irritated when folks are slapping the "giant" label on every large gecko they buy or see, without really knowing the history behind each gecko.

 

[Mr. gecko]

I have a 3 year old leo that that is 90g would he be considered a giant?

 

[JordanAng420]

I have a 3 year old leo that that is 90g would he be considered a giant?

Contact the breeder and ask if either of the parents were a proven giant.

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[ddkgeckos]

Contact the breeder and ask if either of the parents were a proven giant.

Im not that stupid instead of using stupid smileys to say your annoyed. Why not ask why i haven't asked the breeder?

There was a mix up with this girls eggs and the parents are unkown.
Although one of the possible parents was a super giant

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[JordanAng420]

You could have just said that. Without being a jerk. READ MY POST AGAIN.

I ADVISED you to contact the breeder and ask about the genetics. There was NO attitude involved whatsoever.

I responded to Mr. Gecko, admittidly, with attitude.

But not to you. So chill the heck out. You seem to have a problem with getting into arguments on forums, but hey, whatever.

I'm glad you're intellegent enough to know that a giant has to be parented by one giant parent. Not my fault that you mixed up the eggs, though. The only TRUE way to know if a giant is a giant, is the genetics behind it.

I never gave you an attitude.

Relax, dude. ::insert subliminal emotional smiley here::

 

[ddkgeckos]

You could have just said that. Without being a jerk. READ MY POST AGAIN.

I ADVISED you to contact the breeder and ask about the genetics. There was NO attitude involved whatsoever.

I responded to Mr. Gecko, admittidly, with attitude.

But not to you. So chill the heck out. You seem to have a problem with getting into arguments on forums, but hey, whatever.

I'm glad you're intellegent enough to know that a giant has to be parented by one giant parent. Not my fault that you mixed up the eggs, though. The only TRUE way to know if a giant is a giant, is the genetics behind it.

I never intended an attitude towards YOU, the op.

Relax, dude. ::insert subliminal emotional smiley here::

Firstly im very relaxed did you not see the nanas?? Secondly i didnt mix up the eggs the breeder i got them from did.

And you have admitted to having a attitude to mr gecko, why? whats the need for that. I think you should apologize..

Your the one who called me a jerk?? So who is it that needs to chill out??

 

[JordanAng420]

Firstly im very relaxed did you not see the nanas?? Secondly i didnt mix up the eggs the breeder i got them from did.

And you have admitted to having a attitude to mr gecko, why? whats the need for that. I think you should apologize..

Your the one who called me a jerk?? So who is it that needs to chill out??

I will not apologise for believing that one should understand the basic concepts of genetics before they start slapping ridiculous labels on pets who's genetics are unknown.

This is an example of your history of being antagonistic in your posts. I am done with you...if I continue I risk infractions, and I don't want to risk that. So good luck with your sales, if you intend to breed and sell.

 

[ddkgeckos]

I will not apologise for believing that one should understand the basic concepts of genetics before they start slapping ridiculous labels on pets who's genetics are unknown.

This is an example of your history of being antagonistic in your posts. I am done with you...if I continue I risk infractions, and I don't want to risk that. So good luck with your sales, if you intend to breed and sell.

he asked a simple question and you PRESUME he dosent know about genetics and he has not slapped anything on his gecko he asked if it could be a giant??
You got a attitude with him and you called me a jerk all because of your presumptions. I fail to see what i have done in this thread to antagonize anyone.

As for my other posts this is a forum a place where there should be debate the world would be pretty boring and dull place if everyone agreed with you all the time..

 

[yellermelon]

Your original question was is she a giant. Without knowing parents genetics, regardless of who mixed the eggs up or why you dont know parents genetics, you just cant be sure. There is a chance shes a giant, but Ive owned and heard of tons of normal geckos that are just HUGE. Big geckos do happen. If you coin yours a giant without knowing the genetics, if you breed her then your going to more than likelly coin the babies "poss giants" when in truth you have no idea. When in doubt its best to assume you have a big normal, rather than a probable giant.
Im really happy the hobby is thriving and new people are making there way into it. However I do not like to see when people mislabel genetics as this causes the entire community headaches in the long run.
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[ddkgeckos]

Your original question was is she a giant. Without knowing parents genetics, regardless of who mixed the eggs up or why you dont know parents genetics, you just cant be sure. There is a chance shes a giant, but Ive owned and heard of tons of normal geckos that are just HUGE. Big geckos do happen. If you coin yours a giant without knowing the genetics, if you breed her then your going to more than likelly coin the babies "poss giants" when in truth you have no idea. When in doubt its best to assume you have a big normal, rather than a probable giant.
Im really happy the hobby is thriving and new people are making there way into it. However I do not like to see when people mislabel genetics as this causes the entire community headaches in the long run.

I havent mislabelled anything neither will i be doing so. My question was is she a giant but i wanted to know more on the way giants grow. As said one of her ptential parents was a super giant so if she gets to a certain size i can be fairly sure she is a giant although i will not label her as such. I will wait to see what offspring she produces before labelling her. if she produces geckos that are considered to be a giant size i will call her a giant. As surely mislabelling geckos also means not labelling them at all.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Odd hatchlings over the years have shown to bring some new morphs that we have all become familar with. BUT they were test bred for several seasons to prove out genetics. So, what happened to all the babies that weren't holdbacks? They're somewhere out there... If I had one that was huge for its' age as a juv, I would record some weights AND lengths during its juv stage. By the time its' a year old it would show if it was a giant, But would still need to be test bred to confirm if it's genetetic. From my understanding it isn't just weight but also length. A fat gecko could qualify in the weight catagory but not length. Unknown genetics should be proven out prior to labeling, otherwise it's just a mess. Personally, I wouldn't pay a dime more for a possible giant because it's just speculation.

 

[Jordan]

why buy geckos if genetics is unknown?

When you buy a gecko that says 'maybe giant', and then you ask the breeder and he says 'i dunno, the eggs got mixed up'

what makes you go 'i'll take it ' ... i dont get it.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

David, check out Ron Trempers website, there's a section of Giant FAQ. Also Steve Sykes has a good sized giant project. Beautiful animals, I almost bought one at Daytona Expo. Keep digging, maybe you can find some stats

 

[Daedric1]

he asked a simple question and you PRESUME he dosent know about genetics and he has not slapped anything on his gecko he asked if it could be a giant??
You got a attitude with him and you called me a jerk all because of your presumptions. I fail to see what i have done in this thread to antagonize anyone.

As for my other posts this is a forum a place where there should be debate the world would be pretty boring and dull place if everyone agreed with you all the time..

I'm fairly certain that Maia was annoyed because Mr. gecko CLEARLY ignored the contents of her helpful post and asked the question. It was a simple question, but an ignorant and stupid one in regards to the previous contents of this thread. I would be annoyed as well.