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thaveteran
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robin said:
That is the best explanation/theory I've heard. Now I think I understand. Thanks Robin
those are just my thoughts and my experiences. i do not know if jungle to jungle will produce reversed stripes but i want to know how they are made... using the stripe gene.if jungle x jungle does produce a reversed stripe, i know not all will be reversed stripe and your chances in making one could be slim from just breeding a couple of geckos which are jungles. i think it would have to be on some what a larger scale.
i remember speaking about this with kelli several years back as just speculation/theory.
i remember speaking about this with kelli several years back as just speculation/theory.
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okapi
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robin said:
I agree with you, not everything he says is true, but I dont see how he could get the order he produced them mixed up. Or why he would publish a different order when writing about them in Reptiles Magazine or his books. If he started saying that giants gave rise to DBs, who then gave rise to raptors then I wouldnt trust his account of jungles being first. But for right now that is the only account we have.
The only way to really test it with no errors would be to get a completely removed bloodline, such as a new WC group of jungles, and then mass produce them for a few years to see if stripes pop up. Or vice versa.
Your theory on how the giants came to be is very plausible however.
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okapi
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robin said:
But where would the jungles come from? My jungle gecko in my avatar is "het" reverse stripe and eclipse, RT produced him. And since all jungles currently in the trade trace back to RT, the results could be skewed in any direction. The only way to really test any of our theories would be to find an unrelated group of jungles/stripes/reverse stripes, such as a WC group. And even then how do you know if the "new jungle" is the same as the "old jungle" until you cross them? They could be on different alleles such as blizzard "eclipse" and RT eclipse. (Considering people have done crosses of the two and only hatched normal eyes)
okapi said:
i stated no theory on giants. but if you ask me the "giant" gene cam from WC geckos. as far as it being a genetic trait i think it is more of a subspecies trait. how many true giants have we seen? a lot of non "giant" animals can reach the size of what some people consider a giant. i have had 120+ geckos before. although larger geckos like this are not common (for the most part) they do exist and come from non "giant" lines.
now as far as RT's info. i think 1) he may not know his genetics like he thinks he does and 2) he does not release all his info for a reason. just take his incubation method as an example. i think he may leave out crucial steps in this process.
if you ask some of the OLD timers and ask them about leis. they got wc put one male in with a lot of females and let them breed. then just kept breeding and breeding and breeding.
i doubt he paid attention on what produced what. also some of the adults may have looked junglish but because they were adults they were in fact stripes that lost pattern or gained it as they got to that adult size and in the process "looked" junglish. who knows.
and where is this info about giants giving rise to DB's? diablo blancos, is what i am assuming you are referring to.
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okapi
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You stated a theory on giants a few months ago, I just dont remember what thread. You named a subspecies that you believe RT added to his group resulting in larger sized geckos. You said something like I dont believe it when he says he didnt add a new subspecies to his breeding projects when he "discovered" the giant "gene"
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okapi
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I was just saying that if he got that information mixed up in the future, like 10 years from now, then it would be easier to see him mixing up the information from the past, such as that of stripes, jungles, and reverse stripes.
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okapi
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robin said:
im confused... you dont believe that you dont trust his story of giants, or you dont believe that youve said in the past that you dont believe him ?
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okapi
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robin said:
True, but that was on purpose IMO. But the jungle>stripe thing I dont see reason to lie about. But you never know.
Okay, im not confused anymore lol :main_thumbsup:
DanTheFireman
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All that I've got to add is that in '05 we produced over 150 from Redstripe line and every one was a stripe/jungle, mostly stripes. Every one of the offspring of our jungles has been a jungle or stripe - no banded bodies or tails. The banded body stripe tail juvie near the beginning of this thread is outcrossed to SHTCT and is the only one we've gotten.
Kotsay1414
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So far this year we have used this crossing...
Jungle Male x "het Jungle" Female
0.0.3 Jungle (1 is very close to being a stripe)
0.0.1 Banded
0.0.0 Striped
Jungle Male x "het Jungle" Female
0.0.3 Jungle (1 is very close to being a stripe)
0.0.1 Banded
0.0.0 Striped
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okapi
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robin said:
okay
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