life...a few apologies too....

[The NY Gecko]

I hate to start a new thread, but, I think that maybe this deserves a new palce and to be a new topic of discussion, but, it does go hand in hand with the other one.



A very great many thing were learned during sunday and monday. For starters, drinking, yea, never again. Wasn't worth the pain. It also kinda made me think about life in general, specifically mine. I guess what I'm saying is that by doing that, it really showed me some things and some flaws I have to really really work on. Since I don't know most of you that well I won't go into the great many personal problems I have in detail. In a more blunt less descriptive form, depression. I guess it was a wake up call? I've already done a few things that have made me feel somewhat better, but I think its going to be a long road.



I know that personally I have offended some of you. I won't go into detail, you know who you are, obviously. I feel that in order to make any progress and feel better about myself I have to first try and apologize to those I have offended or wronged in some way, however small. I don't wanna mention names, but those that this concerns, you obviously know who you are.

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

I hate to start a new thread, but, I think that maybe this deserves a new palce and to be a new topic of discussion, but, it does go hand in hand with the other one.



A very great many thing were learned during sunday and monday. For starters, drinking, yea, never again. Wasn't worth the pain. It also kinda made me think about life in general, specifically mine. I guess what I'm saying is that by doing that, it really showed me some things and some flaws I have to really really work on. Since I don't know most of you that well I won't go into the great many personal problems I have in detail. In a more blunt less descriptive form, depression. I guess it was a wake up call? I've already done a few things that have made me feel somewhat better, but I think its going to be a long road.



I know that personally I have offended some of you. I won't go into detail, you know who you are, obviously. I feel that in order to make any progress and feel better about myself I have to first try and apologize to those I have offended or wronged in some way, however small. I don't wanna mention names, but those that this concerns, you obviously know who you are.

The one thing to remember Tom, is that its not just you. Most of us come to a point like this in their life, maybe it doesn't involve alcohol, maybe it does, but most of us come to a point in there life when they realize they aren't getting anywhere going down the road they are going down, and its time for a change. You are lucky that you seem to have realized at 16 because alot of people take alot longer than that to realize that. Keep your head up, make the changes you need to make and go from there, and make each day from here on better than the day before. :main_thumbsup:

 

[robin]

The one thing to remember Tom, is that its not just you. Most of us come to a point like this in their life, maybe it doesn't involve alcohol, maybe it does, but most of us come to a point in there life when they realize they aren't getting anywhere going down the road they are going down, and its time for a change. You are lucky that you seem to have realized at 16 because alot of people take alot longer than that to realize that. Keep your head up, make the changes you need to make and go from there, and make each day from here on better than the day before. :main_thumbsup:

took me til i was 26 thats when my mom died

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Tom, you've told me a lot in private about you and that is why I have always tried to give you any chance I could and I think and always have that you are a great person that has been dealt a bad hand at life.

You also know that bad hands are dealt out to others as well and you took some wrong turns and you are seeing how it affected you and other people and man, fo ryouat your age, that is just KUDOS to you.

Don't let the past or present for that matter alter you, please PLEASE look at tomorrow and who you want to be, because from our talks I know you are and want to be a good person so just stick to that.

You helped me a lot a few months back and all of the things I talked to you about have gotten worse, so I may need to talk to you again, just think of how much you can also help other people from the things you have been through.

 

[marula]

you are a really nice presence in this forum...i'm soo glad that you write your thoughts here and you give us the opportunity to know you better..
i like this forum for this reason too...is different from all others forum that i know ;-)

 

[Lyndsey]

Sweetie...you're only 16. You have so much to live for. Alcohol is definitely not the way to go...especially while suffering from depression.

Yea, I did the whole get wasted every weekend when I was in high school. I stopped drinking when I was 19 (I got pregnant soon after)...and of course didn't drink then. My son is 15 months and I have only drank maybe three times since he was born. Those three times it's been like 2 wine coolers...not even enough for a slight buzz lol. Just the smell of hard alcohol makes me nauseas now

Anyway, both my parents were alcoholics and I didn't want to end up like them so I nipped it before I got to that point. I don't regret my drinking...but I am glad I stopped.


I also apologize if it sounded like I was jumping on you in the other thread...it was hypocritical of me since I drank too when I was your age


If you need to talk about anything, please pm me. I do not judge

 

[Nastynotch]

Besides, you can actually remember highschool if you lay off the cognac.

second chances are great. grab them up quick and let people think of it what they will.

 

[The NY Gecko]

Besides, you can actually remember highschool if you lay off the cognac.

second chances are great. grab them up quick and let people think of it what they will.

Well actually it was morg and jack but yea, duely noted.

 

[Gregg M]

Tom, EVERYONE screws up at certain points in their life... No one is perfect and neither is life...

The good thing is that you recognize your error and you are a cool dude...

Drinking will not make problems go away... It can only complicate things...
You obviously found this out and sometimes you need to learn the hard way...
You made a mistake and you learnd from it... No one has the right to judge you for it and if they do, you do not need them in your life...

Things will pan out well for you Tom... Life is what you make of it and from what I know of you, you are smart enough to make things happen...

 

[wilomn]

To the left of what you say tom, just a step away, is another interpretation.

You need attention. You crave attention. You have been dealt a crappy hand by life. You have taken this crappy hand and used it as an excuse a number of times.

NOW, all of a sudden, and not for the first time if I recall correctly, you see the error of your ways. Cool. If it's sincere. However, statements like, I'd like to appologize but don't want to go into details is REALLY wishy washy. IF you're going to own up to your previously(?) unseen shortcomings then you really need to own them in thier entirety, not just as an easy glossing over of your past screw ups.

I would also like to disagree with Gregg's statement above about no one having the right to judge you. We ALL have the right and ability to judge others. It's what we do with that judgement once we've made it that determines the value of the person judging. We ALL judge eachother everyday, every post, all the time. It's human nature.

Learning what to do with a SOUND judgement, learning what a SOUND judgement is, that's the tough part. Only experiance, being humble, and honesty, REAL honesty not the sham so often substituted for it, are the keys to learning how to make that judgement. It's not instantanious or, as a rule, quick either. It takes a lot of work.

I think you've got a LOT of work ahead of you. I also think you might be one of the guys who COULD do it IF you really wanted to and weren't just looking for a pat on the back and a things will be ok.

Good luck, it's not easy.

 

[Lyndsey]

To the left of what you say tom, just a step away, is another interpretation.

You need attention. You crave attention. You have been dealt a crappy hand by life. You have taken this crappy hand and used it as an excuse a number of times.

NOW, all of a sudden, and not for the first time if I recall correctly, you see the error of your ways. Cool. If it's sincere. However, statements like, I'd like to appologize but don't want to go into details is REALLY wishy washy. IF you're going to own up to your previously(?) unseen shortcomings then you really need to own them in thier entirety, not just as an easy glossing over of your past screw ups.

I would also like to disagree with Gregg's statement above about no one having the right to judge you. We ALL have the right and ability to judge others. It's what we do with that judgement once we've made it that determines the value of the person judging. We ALL judge eachother everyday, every post, all the time. It's human nature.

Learning what to do with a SOUND judgement, learning what a SOUND judgement is, that's the tough part. Only experiance, being humble, and honesty, REAL honesty not the sham so often substituted for it, are the keys to learning how to make that judgement. It's not instantanious or, as a rule, quick either. It takes a lot of work.

I think you've got a LOT of work ahead of you. I also think you might be one of the guys who COULD do it IF you really wanted to and weren't just looking for a pat on the back and a things will be ok.

Good luck, it's not easy.

Whoa...chill

Actually, he doesn't have to go into details. He doesn't own ANYONE an explanation

 

[Nastynotch]

To the left of what you say tom, just a step away, is another interpretation.

You need attention. You crave attention. You have been dealt a crappy hand by life. You have taken this crappy hand and used it as an excuse a number of times.

NOW, all of a sudden, and not for the first time if I recall correctly, you see the error of your ways. Cool. If it's sincere. However, statements like, I'd like to appologize but don't want to go into details is REALLY wishy washy. IF you're going to own up to your previously(?) unseen shortcomings then you really need to own them in thier entirety, not just as an easy glossing over of your past screw ups.

I would also like to disagree with Gregg's statement above about no one having the right to judge you. We ALL have the right and ability to judge others. It's what we do with that judgement once we've made it that determines the value of the person judging. We ALL judge eachother everyday, every post, all the time. It's human nature.

Learning what to do with a SOUND judgement, learning what a SOUND judgement is, that's the tough part. Only experiance, being humble, and honesty, REAL honesty not the sham so often substituted for it, are the keys to learning how to make that judgement. It's not instantanious or, as a rule, quick either. It takes a lot of work.

I think you've got a LOT of work ahead of you. I also think you might be one of the guys who COULD do it IF you really wanted to and weren't just looking for a pat on the back and a things will be ok.

Good luck, it's not easy.

I can't even explain to you how much that post made me think of Mr. Rogers and his wicked rad television show.


........and/or dr. phil.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Tom, I really wish you well, and that you mean everything you've said here. I for one have been very frustrated with you on many occasions in chat, and I truly hope you now understand why. None of us were ever picking on you, just worried about you and never wanted you to learn the hard way, as many of us have had to do.

Whoa...chill

Actually, he doesn't have to go into details. He doesn't own ANYONE an explanation

If you were here longer you may understand where Wes is coming from.

 

[The NY Gecko]

To the left of what you say tom, just a step away, is another interpretation.

You need attention. You crave attention. You have been dealt a crappy hand by life. You have taken this crappy hand and used it as an excuse a number of times.

NOW, all of a sudden, and not for the first time if I recall correctly, you see the error of your ways. Cool. If it's sincere. However, statements like, I'd like to appologize but don't want to go into details is REALLY wishy washy. IF you're going to own up to your previously(?) unseen shortcomings then you really need to own them in thier entirety, not just as an easy glossing over of your past screw ups.

I would also like to disagree with Gregg's statement above about no one having the right to judge you. We ALL have the right and ability to judge others. It's what we do with that judgement once we've made it that determines the value of the person judging. We ALL judge eachother everyday, every post, all the time. It's human nature.

Learning what to do with a SOUND judgement, learning what a SOUND judgement is, that's the tough part. Only experiance, being humble, and honesty, REAL honesty not the sham so often substituted for it, are the keys to learning how to make that judgement. It's not instantanious or, as a rule, quick either. It takes a lot of work.

I think you've got a LOT of work ahead of you. I also think you might be one of the guys who COULD do it IF you really wanted to and weren't just looking for a pat on the back and a things will be ok.

Good luck, it's not easy.

Theres a repeating thing with you isn't there. You always seem to think I'm craving attention or being a lieing sneak. Sorry, not everyone works that way and if you think you know me well enough over an internet message board to think you know how I "tick and tock" then you might need a little bit of work yourself. Your statements tend to stir me up, and I think that maybe your just looking for attention from me. It was a good try at questioning my ethics, but overall, you fail. And oh yea...


Too bad I was being sincere and me saying "I'd like to apologize" meant I WAS apologizing. It was a good try and all Wes, but sorry, come back later.






Sorry, I shouldn't just single you out like that.


Gregg, I know me and you rubbed heads over at fauna, but I've come to respect you and your opinions and hold you in high esteem when it comes to the care of our cold blooded friends, especially those lovely vipers of yours that I do so enjoy.


Felicia- My apology was directed in part to you. I was more or less an a$$ both in the chat room and on here. There wasn't really a reason for it other than to stir the hive.


There are others on here who I ticked off by being a brat on the boards and in the chat, I couldn't possibly remember everyone, if I tried I would feel like I left someone out. I hold nothing personal on here against anyone so if I may have pissed you off by a comment or something or other, I'm sorry.

 

[Lyndsey]

If you were here longer you may understand where Wes is coming from.

The length of time I've been here doesn't matter. I don't need to know him or his past actions to know he doesn't owe an explanation to people on a message board that he will most likely never meet


Not being rude, just saying

 

[BalloonzForU]

Felicia- My apology was directed in part to you. I was more or less an a$$ both in the chat room and on here. There wasn't really a reason for it other than to stir the hive.

I know Tom. I do care, and that's why your actions on here and fauna disturbed many of us that tried to help you understand what you were doing to yourself. You told all of us in chat enough, to know what your home life was like, and it upset me to see you being self-destructive in an already bad situation. I'm happy to see you making a change in your life, and learning from your mistakes. I hope it continues as you learn more about life. :main_thumbsup:

 

[Nastynotch]

really if the yank wants to apologize then so be it. I don't care, and for his own benifit, if it makes him feel better. Just because he's apologizing doesnt mean you have to verbally accept or deny anything he's bringing forth. Think of it what you will and read along, otherwise your justing feeding fire.


by all means, to be frank with you. singling eachother out and getting personal with hugs and kisses bores my arse to death.

 

[BalloonzForU]

by all means, to be frank with you. singling eachother out and getting personal with hugs and kisses bores my arse to death.

LMFAO

 

[sportbike_rob]

I hate to start a new thread, but, I think that maybe this deserves a new palce and to be a new topic of discussion, but, it does go hand in hand with the other one.



A very great many thing were learned during sunday and monday. For starters, drinking, yea, never again. Wasn't worth the pain. It also kinda made me think about life in general, specifically mine. I guess what I'm saying is that by doing that, it really showed me some things and some flaws I have to really really work on. Since I don't know most of you that well I won't go into the great many personal problems I have in detail. In a more blunt less descriptive form, depression. I guess it was a wake up call? I've already done a few things that have made me feel somewhat better, but I think its going to be a long road.



I know that personally I have offended some of you. I won't go into detail, you know who you are, obviously. I feel that in order to make any progress and feel better about myself I have to first try and apologize to those I have offended or wronged in some way, however small. I don't wanna mention names, but those that this concerns, you obviously know who you are.

hang in there bro, your only 16 (according to the info under your avatar), your at the point in life where your gonna mess up and make bad choices, and lots of mistakes, the difference between you and others your age, is weather or not you learn from them or not and by the looks of this post you are learning from them....and thats a good thing:main_thumbsup:

 

[Ian S.]

Hey Hey,
Whats up Tom. If you ever need someone to talk you can always PM me. You know that. It sometimes takes alot of twiggle berries to apologise and admitt your faults. BIG Ups!! Yes, it's even tougher to assure that it doesn't happen again. Life deals nasty blows thats fo sheezy, and I know you've had a rough couple of years. Hang in there. It's all in how you pick yourself back up that matters.

Oh yeah... and best thing to do with the punks who try to kick you when your down is to ignore them. It's only cause they're to sissy to take a shot otherwise. Keep your head up bro!