Mack Raptor vs. Mack Raptor...

[StatikStepz]

Anyone know why it is that Mack Raptors can have 2 COMPLETELY different looks? For instance, some have the orange body coloring and white tail w/ "brown" spots (look just like a raptor, but only way to tell it is a Mack Raptor is by knowing the genetics behind it), and some look like a Tremper Mack Snow's body w/ white, and yellow, and lavender, etc, but you know it's a Mack Raptor instead of a Tremper mack, because of the red eyes.

So yeah, some Mack Raptors looks are that of a Mack, and some have the looks of a Raptor. Anyone know why this is? It's almost like one should be called a Mack Raptor, and the other should be called a Raptor Mack, lol.

 

[StatikStepz]

The following 2 are LINKS to pictures that you can view to see what i am talking about. Both are pictures of geckos for sale that are in the calssifieds on here right now. (This way, i am not using someone else's picture and posting it as my my own, and can't be caught for "copyright infringement"... lol)
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Here is what i am talking about.

This 1st one looks like a Tremper Mack, but it has red eyes.
http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w338/valleyreptiles/mackrapf.jpg

This 2nd pic looks like a Raptor, but it is a known Mack Raptor because of the genetics behind it.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f206/porkhcopp00/leos for sale/MR-0609-1.jpg

 

[Ga_herps]

I can't really answer your question totally but I do know that hatchlings are one of my tell tale signs if the mack has hit the raptors. I produced 7 this year and some have really colored up. The only way I do know is by genetics and seeing the hatchlings. As for the pattern it has to do with how the genetics dice is rolled. Some can be banded while others take on the more patternless raptor look. Either way I have to say a good mack raptor is one of my favorite morphs by far. Oh you can also look on my collection page of my website. I have a pic of one of my mack raptors on that page. I will also post you some pics on here tomorrow to show more variability in the mack raptors.

 

[StatikStepz]

Yeah, see thats what i am talking about... yours looks like it should be called a "Raptor Mack", cuz its the kind of Mack Raptor that looks more like a Raptor only, and like the Raptor genes "dominated" more over the Mack Genes to make the "Raptor-Look" be the dominating Colors/Looks of the gecko.

Thats what i'm tryin to figure out... I know the genetics has to play in it, but how... These are just crazy ideas thrown out off the top of my head that i'm sure just sound rediculous, but i am sure someone out there knows the answer to this... is it the alignment of the moon that makes them look different, lol? The time of month when the female parent is "knocked up"? The temperature during egg incubation? What? lol

 

[Ga_herps]

I tell you one thing that will help out your odds greatly is to start with parents that have the look you would like to see in your offspring. I have found over the years that those extra dollars spent on more selectively bred morphs dictates way better looking offspring.

 

[robin]

chris, are those photos of your animals that you took? or did you get permission to use those photos?

 

[StatikStepz]

I tell you one thing that will help out your odds greatly is to start with parents that have the look you would like to see in your offspring. I have found over the years that those extra dollars spent on more selectively bred morphs dictates way better looking offspring.

Agreed! I do the same! If you want the best, you must breed the best! I personally like the Mack Raptors that outwardly look like Tremper Macks, but have red eyes.

 

[StatikStepz]

chris, are those photos of your animals that you took? or did you get permission to use those photos?

No, i didn't take those photos myself. They aren't mine. As stated in my earlier post, they are geckos that are in these classifieds right now... i just put the link to where the photo is, so that if people want to view it, they can click on it themselves and view it. This way, i am not actually posting and using their photos as my own.

...So no copyright infringement here. :main_thumbsup:

 

[robin]

have you credited the breeder or photographer?

 

[StatikStepz]

have you credited the breeder or photographer?

Yes. Read the original post again above the line. I accredited them by saying that the pics are someone else's pix that are on the classifieds. I said the pix weren't mine, and that they were someone else's... so that is giving credit to that person, not me.

Geez Robin! lmao... lighten up! I think i'm good. They aren't even your pix. Why are u so bent on trying to "bust" me for copyright? LOL :main_robin:

Do you have any input on the subject at hand, however?

 

[Tony C]

Saying they aren't yours isn't the same as giving credit, you should have "Photo courtesy of ___NAME____" next to each link.

 

[StatikStepz]

Saying they aren't yours isn't the same as giving credit, you should have "Photo courtesy of ___NAME____" next to each link.

Either way, i didn't post the pix up and use them. I put a link to them that you can click to go to yourself.

And the 2 pix i used... one is Bryan's Mack Raptor of JETT Exotics (don't think he'll mind, he's a cool guy i have spoken with numerous times, and actually have 4 geckos from him being delivered on Tuesday, and he has given me permission before to use previous pix of his)... And the other that is the one that looks like a Mack, but with red eyes, is Eric's photo from Valley Reptiles, and i actually just bought it 2 days ago... it is being shipped to me on Tuesday aswell. I doubt he would mind that i "referenced" his photo that is in the classifieds aswell.

Sooooo..... Back to the subject at hand, people!!! Anyone have any thoughts on my question wayyy back at the beginning of the 1st page in this thread...??? lol... Lets talk genetics about this, since this thread i posted is in the "Morphs and Genetics" catagory, and not the "Copyright Witch Hunt" catagory, lmao. I think if anyone has any more complaints about what i just did by posting a LINK to a pic as a reference, clearly stating its not mine and did not claim it as mine, that they should direct those questions to me via PM on here, as to not clog up this thread with stuff that is not in reference to my question, as it is one that i would really like to have answered if anyone knows the answer, so that just like anyone else, i may expand my knowledge of this beautiful morph... after all, can't have a "PHD in Geckology", if you don't have the knowledge of them to back it up, rite? hehe

 

[Tony C]

It's not a witch hunt, and there's no need to get bent out of shape about it. Disclaiming ownership is not the same as giving credit, and you should always give credit when you use someone else's pics. You can argue about it if you want, or you can do the courteous thing and give credit where it's due.

 

[StatikStepz]

It's not a witch hunt, and there's no need to get bent out of shape about it. Disclaiming ownership is not the same as giving credit, and you should always give credit when you use someone else's pics. You can argue about it if you want, or you can do the courteous thing and give credit where it's due.

I'm not getting bent out of shape, trust me. I'm about the easiest going guy around, thats why i am laughing at this whole thing and not taking it offensively. I may sound sarcastic, but it's just that i am "witty" and seriously, please do not take offense to the things i say. Every statement i have EVER made on this forum is nothing but good intentions and meant to have no harm behind it, and nothing offensive to be taken from it... simply just to try and make someone out there laugh, lol. I just think it's funny how many people are coming after me about this, and it isn't even their issue, nor their pix. Especially how if you know me, you'd know i never do that, and always ask people to use their pix if i post them.

Any given rate, i did just give credit in my previous post. Here it is once again, since i have no problem giving credit where it is due. One is Bryans pic, and the other is Eric's... Nice pix Bryan and Eric... I hope you both didn't mind me posting the URL of where your pic is so that others may view it and so i don't get "busted" for actually using the pic to post up and show as my own. heehee (<~ see, thats the sarcasm/quick-witted nature i was speaking about, but no harm meant in it, and simply said to lighten the tension in here and make someone laugh, esp. after all this stupid BS that has almost taken up almost 2 pages by now. lol)

 

[StatikStepz]

(Any further questions/concern about the whole link thing should be directed to me via PM, as to not clog up this thread for people that stopped by trying to get some info for themselves aswell. Thank you.)

 

[StatikStepz]

ANNNNNNYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHT/IDEAS ON MY QUESTION AT HAND IN THIS THREAD??? ANYONE CARE TO SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS, AS TO WHY THE SAME MORPH CAN LOOK SO OPPOSITE??

 

[Ga_herps]

Another thing to consider is the amount of things that go into making a raptor itself. So when you throw in the co-dom mack gene on top your really trying to get all the triggers that make a raptor truly a raptor hit at the same time the snow gene hits.

 

[StatikStepz]

Another thing to consider is the amount of things that go into making a raptor itself. So when you throw in the co-dom mack gene on top your really trying to get all the triggers that make a raptor truly a raptor hit at the same time the snow gene hits.

Gotcha. Well, i have a couple of groups that are going to give me these... One group i have is my Mack Raptor/Super Raptor group... I have an awesome Super Raptor male being bred with 2 Mack Raptors (one of them is the one i just bought off here that looks like a Mack by with red eyes), and a Tremper Mack het Raptor. Then i also have a Mack Raptor male being bred to a Black Hole (Mack Enigma Eclipse) het Tremper female. So we'll see what happens with those!

 

[Ga_herps]

Sounds like you should have the makings for a sweet mack raptor somewhere in those groups. Good luck on your breeding.

 

[StatikStepz]

Yep, can't wait! I did not create the Black Hole het Tremper, so i am not sure what the looks were of the Mack Snow that went into it, so that one will be a surprise...

To check out a pic of one of the Mack Raptors, the Black Hole, and the Super Raptor, go to my website under the breeders tab. I still have a bunch that aren't up there yet tho, and am keeping some a secret until they are released.

One of the Mack Raptors that i already have up on there is Darien. The Black Hole het Tremper is Draka. And the Super Raptor is Dante.