Mack Raptor vs. Mack Raptor...

[robin]

Yes. Read the original post again above the line. I accredited them by saying that the pics are someone else's pix that are on the classifieds. I said the pix weren't mine, and that they were someone else's... so that is giving credit to that person, not me.

Geez Robin! lmao... lighten up! I think i'm good. They aren't even your pix. Why are u so bent on trying to "bust" me for copyright? LOL :main_robin:

Do you have any input on the subject at hand, however?

no i dont have anything to comment on except that you said they were not yours but you did not give the photographers credit. yes, i am a stickler on this. why? because i photograph and if someone links my photos without permission or uses my photos without permission, it irritates me to no end. you did not only use them without permission but you did not give the photographer credit. since these are not your photos and you did not get permission to even use the link in this thread or for even that fact give the photographer credit for the animal and the image, in my opinion we are on the issue of you skirting around copyright policy and TOS here on gecko forums

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

+1, although it may seem ridiculous to you and you may have purchased them, it still is a violation of copyright policy. I have had someone use a photo of one of my Peruvian RTB's before and played it as if it were there's, which actually became a huge deal since he was trying to sell to a close friend. That's fine your laid back and all because we all need to relax on these forums...but when it comes to legal and ethical issues just take the advice and keep it in mind next time.

On another note, you need to post pics of the hatch-lings when you get them. Mack Raptors are one of my favorite morphs.

 

[Gazz]

Non i'd consider a Snow RAPTOR.

Talbino eclipse snow jungle.

http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w338/valleyreptiles/mackrapf.jpg

Talbino eclipse snow reverse striped.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f206/porkhcopp00/leos for sale/MR-0609-1.jpg

 

[StatikStepz]

Talbino eclipse snow jungle.

Um. A Tremper Albino Eclipse would essentially be a Raptor. So if it is a Tremper Mack Snow Eclipse, then it is a Mack Raptor. But i will go with "Jungle" on it tho, because it is not banded like most snows.

Talbino eclipse snow reverse striped.

Now, i just don't agree with this, at all. Period. lol. This is totally a Mack Raptor, lol (Same goes with it being a "Talbino Eclipse"... the albino version of an Eclipse pretty much is the same as a Raptor.)

 

[BSM]

To me those are all snow raptors but the name raptor is just a bad name to begin with. If everyone knew them as tremper eclipses it would make alot more sense to people then every one arguing over what it is
(albino eclipse vs raptor) = same thing

My 2 cents on this

Bryan

 

[StatikStepz]

To me those are all snow raptors but the name raptor is just a bad name to begin with. If everyone knew them as tremper eclipses it would make alot more sense to people then every one arguing over what it is
(albino eclipse vs raptor) = same thing

My 2 cents on this

Bryan

Agreed... Thats why i said "Tremper Eclipse PRETTY MUCH IS a Raptor". Technically, it isn't quite 100% what makes a "True" Raptor, but like u said, that word is such a bad name to use for it, and even on these forums already, there are a ton of threads posted up about this very subject.

 

[StatikStepz]

And also because people pretty much found a shortcut to making a "Raptor", which is a Tremper Eclipse, because doing it makes a gecko that matches exactly what a true Raptor looks like.

 

[Gazz]

Um. A Tremper Albino Eclipse would essentially be a Raptor. So if it is a Tremper Mack Snow Eclipse, then it is a Mack Raptor. But i will go with "Jungle" on it tho, because it is not banded like most snows..

It's expessing Jungle NOT patternless striped so not RAPTOR.

It Talbino eclipse snow jungle-AKK-Ruby eyed snow jungle.No Patternless striped trait it's not RAPTOR.RAPTOR is the morph as a whole NOT just the eyes.

Now, i just don't agree with this, at all. Period. lol. This is totally a Mack Raptor, lol (Same goes with it being a "Talbino Eclipse"... the albino version of an Eclipse pretty much is the same as a Raptor.)

It's expessing Reverse striped NOT patternless striped so not RAPTOR.

It Talbino eclipse snow reverse striped-AKK-Ruby eyed snow reverse striped.No Patternless striped trait it's not RAPTOR.RAPTOR is the morph as a whole NOT just the eyes.

By calling a Talbino eclipse jungle a RAPTOR .We may as well call Talbino jungle.Talbino reverse striped.Talbino striped all just Talbino's.Coz you are saying that body pattern is irrelevant just coz it has Eclipse trait eyes.So if leo's express's Talbino + Normal eyes we may as well call them all Talbino no matter the body patterrn.Coz if a leo express's Talbino plus Eclipse eyes there all RAPTOR no matter the body pattern.

 

[StatikStepz]

Gazz, did you not read my previous 2 posts? I agreed with the fact that TECHNICALLY a Raptor isn't a Raptor unless it is a Red Eyed Albino Patternless Tremper Orange. However, it has become commonly accepted that now-a-days, a Raptor is also the albino version of an Eclipse.

So like i said, "it pretty much is a Raptor".... if both the genes go into making it that.

Lets say both the parents of a gecko like this would be Mack Eclipses het Tremper, then i think it's safe to say that if you got a gecko out that looked like that, with red eyes and all, then you hatched out a Mack Raptor. Or if you had 2 Tremper Macks het for Eclipse (Raptor), then you could also hatch out a Mack Raptor. Understand?

These are both Mack Raptors. Its all about the genetics behind it that make it what it is.

 

[StatikStepz]

And there CAN be Jungle Raptors... You just have to label them as that. Just as there can be Jungle Macks. You can incorporate the jungle gene into any morph i'm pretty sure.

If you can have a "Banded Raptor", then you can deffinately have a Raptor w/ broken up bands and Jungles.

 

[Gazz]

And there CAN be Jungle Raptors... You just have to label them as that. Just as there can be Jungle Macks. You can incorporate the jungle gene into any morph i'm pretty sure.

If you can have a "Banded Raptor", then you can deffinately have a Raptor w/ broken up bands and Jungles.

You can't as RAPTOR is the morph as a whole.RAPTOR's are not call RAPTOR's just coz they expess Talbino trait + Eclipse eyes trait.They express the patternless striped trait also.So Talbino + Eclipse + Patternless striped = RAPTOR.One of there trait missing = Not RAPTOR.

So when you say Jungle RAPTOR.Your saying JUNGLE Ruby eyed-Albino-PATTERNLESS-Tremper-ORange.How a leo jungle AND Patternless that is a contradiction.

So when you say Banded RAPTOR.Your saying BANDED-Ruby eyed-Albino-PATTERNLESS-Tremper-ORange.How a leo Banded AND Patternless that is a contradiction.

 

[StatikStepz]

How a leo jungle AND Patternless that is a contradiction.

How a leo Banded AND Patternless that is a contradiction.

So then if we are to go by that, then by that standard... Patternless + Stripe is also a contradiction. :main_yes:

...And doesn't have to be Patternless Stripe to be a Raptor. Nowhere in the acronym "Raptor" is there an "S" for the word "Stripe"... It is not R.A.P.S.T.OR.

 

[727geckokid]

So then if we are to go by that, then by that standard... Patternless + Stripe is also a contradiction. :main_yes:

...And doesn't have to be Patternless Stripe to be a Raptor. Nowhere in the acronym "Raptor" is there an "S" for the word "Stripe"... It is not R.A.P.S.T.OR.

The patternless that the P stands for IS the Patternless Stripe. Not the Patternless AKA "Muprhy" Patternless.

 

[Gazz]

So then if we are to go by that, then by that standard... Patternless + Stripe is also a contradiction. :main_yes:

Nop coz is Patternless striped as in the visual sight of the stripe is barely there or is't there.But the leo is expessing a striped trait.

Talbino eclipse patternless striped = RAPTOR.
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http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPM1_144_600.jpg
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPM1_Leye_600.jpg


Talbino eclipse normal = Ruby eyed banded.To call it a Banded RAPTOR in a contradiction.To call is both BANDED and PATTERNLESS STRIPED.
Owned by Geckos etc.
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPF5_144_600.jpg
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPF5_Leye_600.jpg

 

[StatikStepz]

RPM14, RPF5, RPF7, RPF20
^^^ Those are all ID #'s of geckos that Steve has listed for sale under his Available Raptors Pages... They are labeled Banded Raptors and Jungle Raptors.

SRPM3
^^^ That is a Jungle Mack Snow Raptor that he has listed for sale under his available page.

Those are all geckos on the same site that you are using to try and use to make your point that it "can't" exist.... But i am here to tell you that there is such thing as a Banded Raptor. You just have to label it as that. The "Banded" in this case has dominated over the Stripe.

 

[StatikStepz]

#917 #935
^^ Those are Banded Snow Raptors that are on Ron Trempers available page under the "Hamm - December" link. Go check that out too if you don't believe me.

I could keep listing ID's of geckos all over the web that are Banded Raptors or Jungle Raptors, but i have to get ready to go to work.

 

[StatikStepz]

...and also, if RT created the "Raptor", then i think that he can also make a "Banded Raptor" if he wants to, lol