Mack Snow Rare?

[garner63080]

I have been stalking craigslist for fun and I seem to see a lot of people looking for Mack Snows. Now I know this is a pretty normal morph, but is it a widely bred morph or is there just not a lot of Mack Snow breeders in the St. Louis area?

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[Pudgsr]

a lot of mack snows bred if you go to petco or petsmart u will see those their.

 

[jemjdragon]

I do not think mack snows are a rare morph. I have seen many breeders at reptile shows with them. I have noticed that many people want/like mack snows so it could just be there is a higher demand for them in your area and there is not a huge supply locally.

 

[Kristi23]

They are definitely not rare, but I do know that I sell out of snows very early in the season. A lot of people that don't want a normal and don't want to spend much end up getting macks.

 

[garner63080]

I know it's not "rare" I was curious how readily available it is. It's just not something I see a lot here. Looks like I know where my breeding projects are going next season.

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[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

They are more "rare" to find in their pure form with no added genes or hidden hets and of good quality. As a morph though they are VERY common, but are one of the most marketable base morphs and always sell well.

 

[garner63080]

This all helps. I do have a Mack Snow male. I can see me working with him as my next season breeder.

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[garner63080]

I'm actually looking into breeding my own creamsicles down the road with my Mack and my SHTCTB.

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[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Ah Creamsicles. If you have any questions about them I can provide my results from my experience. That pairing you posted above will take YEARS to produce creams since that snow is far from Hypo and that Tang is dark as well. The best way to get into that project is a Snow as Hypo as you can find and a Tangerine line that looks good as a adult or proven breeder. Don't be concerned with tang colors if they dont hold it through adulthood. Creams are notorious for browning out in their first generations...which is why everyone sells them before 15g and you never see their breeders. It takes time and effort to get them going right. Took me a few years and thats with starting with existing creams from Jeff.

 

[garner63080]

Here is a better picture of my Tang. The other was taken with a crap camera. This was 3 months ago. I'm curious why I would need more Hypo from my snow though? I take it the speckles are not good for producing Creams?

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[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

A Creamsicle is a Hypo Snow Tangerine. That would be the genotype...the phenotype is going to be a bit harder to work on. Getting the simple genes in a gecko are not hard, it is the years of refinement to get good color and RETAIN it throughout their life that take a while. I have had MANY threads on here about Creams and my take on what works best on how to produce/reproduce them with QUALITY. I personally don't like seeing "dirty" creams listed on the market because they only tarnish the morphs view and are 99% of the time simply someone trying to get an extra dollar by having a titled morph instead of calling it something less flashy.

I have stopped working with Creams (but am starting up again ) so this image is one I have that can show their transformation the best.

If anyone wants to jump into a Cream project, be ready for a long term project and your initial investment animals should be as good as you can afford, or it will take additional time and effort to reach a good Cream.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Your Tangerine doesn't look bad. What lineage is in it. I have found certain lines of Tangerine don't mix as well/easily as others. You want a line that doesn't darken with age because then it will tend to brown out your Cream easier. I was not happy with any of the lines out there so I mixed and matched a few years and produced my own Tangerines used for creams. I mixed in Electric, Torrid, and Blood. The Blood and Electric brown out Creams and Torrids didn't bring enough punch to the fight...mix them all up and add a couple years of line breeding them and there you have it. My Tangerine mix that I preferred for my Creams.

 

[garner63080]

Oh I understand the time. And I have plenty of it. Trust me I'm not someone who just throws geckos together for fun and doesn't do my research. I've been looking into creams for a while now. It seems like a fairly simple project as far as genetics are concerned. Compared to Raptors and such.

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