Mack versus Gem Snow?

[Gregg M]

I think that they are both inherited at the same locus on the chromosome. Or in other words, at that locus, there are 3 possible alleles. Normal, Mack, and Gem.

But if they are different genetically, how can breeding of the two result in the exact same super form of mack snow off-spring???

Dont you think it is od that Macks and Gems look exactly the same in their non-super form and when the two non-supers are bred together, they create a Mack Super Snow??? Not to mention that the ratio of normal to Mack offsping is about the same as the Gems....

The way I see it is, you unknowingly got your hands on the Mack snow line....

The only probable answer, is that the Gem snows are actually Macks....

 

[bro paul]

...and when the two non-supers are bred together, they create a Mack Super Snow???

Gregg -
Are you talking about breeding two "non-super" Gem snows or breeding co-dom mack x a "non-super" Gem snow? To my knowledge, the first option has not produced any Mack Super Snows yet.

 

[Gregg M]

Hey Paul,
I was talking about co-dom Mack X "incomplete-dom" Gem = Mack Super Snow....

From what I undersrand there has not been enough Gem X Gem breedings to know for sure.... There is a chance of Mack X Mack not producing Super Snows too.... What is it, like 25% or so???

 

[LeosForLess]

Can the Gems be temp sexed?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Interesting, but if "Gem" X Gem doesnt hatch Supers than it is not
the same. It would mean either the Super Snow is dominant (not likely since Super X non-snow hatches Macks) or that it is a recessive/dominant relationship.

Im sure Albey would have seen many Supers from his 'linebreds' if they were the same as the Macks too. There is some type of relation, but I do not think they are the exact same thing.

 

[okapi]

well, since all three "snow" lines have roughly the same look, maybe all three share a locus on the DNA? If so there would have to be some kind of forum of dominance order in wich one snow gene is expressed over another. Even though the A1 line of snows is certianly polygentic, it most likely has one of its key 'lack of yellow' genes in the same locus as the gem and mack snows. Based on what Ive read I would order the genes in this order, with most dominant to least dominant:

Mack
Gem
Normal
Line bred.

The mack gene forces the gem gene to be recessive to it so only the mack gene is expressed. Therefore it doesnt need two copies of itself to be fully expressed. The gem gene fills in the other spot in its locus. Then with normals, the mack gene only parly "recessifies" the other gene in its locus (the normal gene) so both are parly expressed.

Im intrested in seeing what others think

 

[KellyTCS]

This is a great thread!

 

[eyelids]

The mack gene forces the gem gene to be recessive to it so only the mack gene is expressed. Therefore it doesnt need two copies of itself to be fully expressed. The gem gene fills in the other spot in its locus. Then with normals, the mack gene only parly "recessifies" the other gene in its locus (the normal gene) so both are parly expressed.

Im intrested in seeing what others think

Man that's some good thinking! It's a good thing you dug up this old thread because I think others may be as facinated by that as I am.

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

I am definately interested in what has to be said here, I have a small group of Gems (and want to add more) and I want to add a female Mack as well to produce as Super, and with all of this uncertainty on exactly what differentiates the Snows I would love to hear more. I am not the one to try to make logic of it right now, because I haven't done the research through breeding like alot of you have. I definately think there is some sort of difference between the Macks & Gems because no super has yet to come to a Gem/Gem breeding, and I don't think that is just a streak of bad luck. So please everyone post your thoughts so maybe together we can unlock the Snow mystery, lol.

 

[Kotsay1414]

After reading through this thread I have a few questions and thoughts of my own.
- Has there been any LB x Normal crossings, if so, what were the results?
- Has there been any Gem x Normal crossings, if so, what were the results?

From the knowledge I have and what I've read, I like what okapi has said the most. Based off of the most dominate chart he made:
Macks
Gems
Normal
Line-Bred

I'm thinking the LB's might actully have some of recessiveness to them, much like Blizzards and Patternlesses. I also believe they are tied to the Macks in some sort of genetic way we are unsure of yet. That is why we can produce Supers when we cross LB x Macks.

For the Gems, I agree with the people who say they are incomplete dominate and I agree that they are related to the Macks, but in some way we are unsure of; the same reason why we can get Supers when we cross Gems x Macks.

I could be completely wrong with my line of thoughts, but I think it's in the right direction.

Kyle

 

[marula]

...is possible for the gem snow have the same genetic of the mack (like the bell with the others albino's strain) but more difficult to working with? (like the bell...is really difficult have a blazing bell, and a SSbell...the bell have the same recessive genetic of RW and tremper, but when you working with bell combined with others morph you have less possibilities to have the combo)...
so...is possible that? gem can be a co-dominant influenced to another kind of gene that is more difficult working with?

 

[trizzypballr]

my first question is, what is a Gem snow? Secondly about line bred snows, people oviously bred snow to snow becuase thats the only way to keep reproducing line breds, so my hypothesis on this is that oviously the co-dom carries the genes for the super snow, but the interresting part is that apparently 1 co-dom alone carries the genes possible to make a SS but there has to be another gene to pull out the SS genes potential? Now we must figure out what does it. Interresting idea would be to breed a line bred snow to a normal, and then breed the offspring to a co-dom or maybe even a super snow and see if you can get any SS's back out

 

[Kotsay1414]

what is a Gem snow?

My understanding of a Gem Snow, is a snow that is a different line from the Mack and LBs.

 

[trizzypballr]

talking about the mack snows not being very white, im not sure how everyone has over looked this, keep in mind that a mack snow is actully the co-dominate form, so that means that is has 1 mack snow gene, and 1 normal gene, since technically the mack snow gene and the normal gene are both dominate, they end up both showing, yes sometimes more of 1 shows then the other, but you can still easily tell that it is infact a co-dom and not a super(the more i think of it, i guess u could consider the super form the pure form, because it contains both mack genes not just 1)

 

[Kotsay1414]

talking about the mack snows not being very white, im not sure how everyone has over looked this, keep in mind that a mack snow is actully the co-dominate form, so that means that is has 1 mack snow gene, and 1 normal gene, since technically the mack snow gene and the normal gene are both dominate, they end up both showing, yes sometimes more of 1 shows then the other, but you can still easily tell that it is infact a co-dom and not a super(the more i think of it, i guess u could consider the super form the pure form, because it contains both mack genes not just 1)

It's like the example I read about Co-Dom Genes with Red and White Flowers. When they are in the Heterozygous form, you get a pinkish color. Which would explain why you get the yellow creeping in the Macks. As for the Super Snows, it is known they are the Homozygous form of Mack Snows.

 

[okapi]

my first question is, what is a Gem snow? Secondly about line bred snows, people oviously bred snow to snow becuase thats the only way to keep reproducing line breds, so my hypothesis on this is that oviously the co-dom carries the genes for the super snow, but the interresting part is that apparently 1 co-dom alone carries the genes possible to make a SS but there has to be another gene to pull out the SS genes potential? Now we must figure out what does it. Interresting idea would be to breed a line bred snow to a normal, and then breed the offspring to a co-dom or maybe even a super snow and see if you can get any SS's back out

A Gem snow is a whiteish and black morph produced by Reptilian Gems. He is a member on this forum.

We already have figured out how to produce super snows. The mack snow is a HET for its gene. The super snow is the homozygous form. The mack gene is co-dominant. Co-dom morphs have a "visible het" form because the gene shares dominance with the other normal gene paired with it at its locus. When there are two mack snow genes at the locus the trait is fully expressed and we see what the gene codes for. The morph is controlled by ONE gene, the mack snow gene. We are dealing with one gene on one locus of the DNA strand.