MURDER! Reader beware, graphic details within

syntheticreality

Newbie gecko addict
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Troy, NY
I have terrible news to share today...

I came home this morning after spending the night at my girlfriend's house. This is something I never do, but the ONE night I decided to spend the night out, I'm struck with tragedy.

When I went into my room, I grabbed some food to feed the cats. While doing so, I stepped in a puddle of what looked like dirty water. I walked out into the kitchen to grab paper towels to clean the puddle and I stepped on something cold and squishy. My first though was that it was cat poop. I wish it had been. I wasn't wearing my contacts, so when I looked down I couldn't tell what it was. I squatted down to examine it. It didn't take lone before I realized it was the remains of a gecko.

It was headless, tailless, had insides hanging out, and was lying supinated on the floor. I turned it over to look at its back and realized it was my nicest Mack Snow 100% het RAPTOR (tremper/eclipse). My first outburst of emotion made me want to kill one or both of my cats! I quickly realized that they are just animals following their natural instincts.

Now I sit here and contemplate how this happened. NONE of my other geckos were even disturbed. The bin that this gecko came from was retracted back into the rack as if I had closed it myself. This is a well made rack without enough room for geckos to just squeeze out. I have been using it for about 5 months now and have never had an escape. If this gecko did squeeze itself out, it must have had some kind of Mr. Fantastic gene or something. If one of the cats let it out, they sure did a nice job of opening the bin, letting the gecko out, then closing the bin again.

I can only think of two other possibilities. Last night I fed in a hurry. Perhaps I turned my back while the bin was open to grab more crickets and the gecko jumped out then. I don't know how this could have happened because i put these bins open on my bed plenty of times to spread them out and distribute food. The other possibility is if, while leaving this bin open for a few seconds as described above, one of the cats grabbed the gecko and I didn't see. I seem to remember, however, seeing that gecko in its hide; dumping a few crickets in; and closing the tub. I just don't know what happened or why it had to be this gecko.

Words cannot express how upsetting this is too me. I'm a small time breeder and basically a dirt poor college kid. Not only is the loss of life a really hard hit to me, but that was one of my most valuable geckos that I cannot afford to replace.

I don't know what measures I need to take to prevent that from happening again. I have used this rack and had these geckos in it with these same cats in the apartment for months and nothing like this has happened. That particular gecko has only been here a week, so I can only hope this just had something to do with her extraordinary escape abilities.

If anyone has any advice, I'd REALLY appreciate it.
 
R

RepBex

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o am so sorry for your loss
are you able to keep the cats out of the room your geckos are in ?
 

lytlesnake

Border Patrol Penguin
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That's a tough pill to swallow. I'm really sorry that happened to you and your gecko. If you're anything like me you'll beat yourself up over it for a week or so, then it will get easier to live with yourself. Hang in there bro.
 

Mel&Keith

Mod Squad Member
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I'm so sorry, that has to be incredibly traumatic. We have a few geckos that will hop right out of their tub in a spit second and crawl to the back of the rack shelf above them. We only have to put up a baby gate to keep our dogs out, cats are trickier. You might seriously consider putting a screen door on your gecko room.
 

GeckoEcho

Hurricane Andrew
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Atlanta, Georgia
Hey Jason first I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I believe I have a few solutions for you to your problem because I too am a cat owner. There are a few things you can do:

Geckos can squeeze out of tight areas believe it or not, make sure that you don't have a lot of room for them to wiggle out of.

Make sure before you close your racks up that all your geckos are accounted for.

I had to transfer to the racks that reptilebasics.com sells. The site is reptilebasics.com. The racks they sell are tight against the sides and tight on top of the racks. They also have a locking pin to keep the racks from being easily pulled out. I actually take it a step further and place 2 inch wide blue painters tape across the rack so that I know those racks can't be pulled out by my cat.

The racks from reptilebasics come with heat but you'll need a thermostat. Also they don't charge for shipping. I've had their racks for over 6 months now and they work perfectly.

When it comes to the protection of your investment you just have to take every step you can think of to safeguard your animals from the natural curiosity of a cat. Good luck with this and again I'm very sorry for your loss.

Andrew
 

syntheticreality

Newbie gecko addict
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492
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Troy, NY
Andrew,

My concern is that a gecko squeezed out. But if that happened, why have no other geckos even come close to doing so in the 5 months they have been in this rack? The space around the top of the bins is literally... about 2.5mm

It's small enough that i dont think the skull of a hatchling gecko could ever fit through. And this was a 32 gram gecko!
 

GeckoEcho

Hurricane Andrew
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Yeah looks like it might have hopped out while you were looking the other direction. They're quick and elusive and move with a purpose in open areas as we know. Hope this helps, really sorry to hear about this.
 

syntheticreality

Newbie gecko addict
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Troy, NY
Also... I REALLY want to know why this thread was moved to a very low traffic forum. Are any mods on right now who could have moved it or was this some sort of glitch?
 

syntheticreality

Newbie gecko addict
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492
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Troy, NY
Fixed. Thank you everyone for your advice and condolences. The more I sit here and think about this the more it makes me wonder if this was my fault. It seems the ONLY way that gecko could have gotten out was by jumping out when i had my back turned or something.

I swear I remember seeing it in there as I closed the tub, but I could have that image in my brain from another night. Its all just so upsetting and I wish there was a way to go back in time and do something to prevent this.
 

syntheticreality

Newbie gecko addict
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492
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Troy, NY
So investigation and thought are revealing some things to me...

First... the bin was perfectly back in when i came home. This means the cat would have had to open it enough to reach in and take the gecko and then close it all the way afterwards... NOT LIKELY. A baffling factor is that the walls of a 16 qt tub are high enough that I have never seen a gecko be able to climb out.

I suppose it could have stepped up onto its hide and climbed out somehow though.

The second thing... i think I dropped several crickets in there before i left last night. There were only about 3 left in the cage when i inspected it. This means it stuck around to eat for a while, which means I didn't let it out during feeding.


third... none of the dishes were moved around and the hide box was undisturbed. No signs of struggle.

The only logical answer at this point is that gecko was just very determined to get out and did. And when it did so, it probably enjoyed freedom for a little while until the cats found it. The reason I expect this is the kill seemed fairly fresh. The cat was still puking when i got home and stopped shortly after--i think this means the pieces were ingested this morning rather than last night. The body was not smelly or rotting so I dont think it sat overnight. I assume it got out during the night since they are nocturnal. My guess is that it wondered around all night and was found early this morning by a cat and then nature took its course. No matter how much I inspect the enclosure for flaws, I dont see how it could have escaped. And if it was able to escape, why did it wait until now rather than doing it the first night it was here?
 

Morph

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WOW im so sorry to hear that happened Jason. I've never had cats so i cant put much info into what to do to prevent it but i wish you the best.
 

syntheticreality

Newbie gecko addict
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492
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Troy, NY
I don't know, Kenny. It really doesn't seem like the cats were at fault here. How could a cat open a bin that was 8 inches off the ground, reach inside and take a gecko out, then close the bin perfectly without disturbing the furniture inside? It just doesn't make sense. Either I let the gecko out or it let itself out. I dont even think I need to do much to catproof the rack, because I dont think they can open it anyway. I really think if they could, they would have done this sooner within the last 4 months.
 

lytlesnake

Border Patrol Penguin
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So. California
Yeah the only plausible explanation is that the gecko got out when you weren't looking before you closed the tub. When you do repetitive tasks like caring for geckos, one night pretty much blends into the next at some point. I've gone downstairs to grab a drink or whatever only to find that I left a tub open and my enigma is gone, etc... Luckily I found him.

Stuff like this happens. I recently let a small kingsnake dry out and it died. I was devastated for a while and it still makes me mad at myself every time I think about it. All I had to do is put the new water dish in there, but I blew it big time. Fact is I'm stretched too thin with way too many chores. Sometimes things slip through the cracks, but when an animal dies it really hurts. All you can do is make sure your collection is in the best possible condition and try to avoid errors in the future.
 

Golden Gate Geckos

Mean Old Gecko Lady
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Ohhhh nooooo, Jason!!! How utterly AWFUL! I would be a total basket case if this happened to one of my geckos... I'm so sorry! What a tragic and horriying experience. I am heartsick for you.
 

lytlesnake

Border Patrol Penguin
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695
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So. California
syntheticreality said:
My other questions is how can a sub-adult leo climb out of a 16 qt tub
How tall is the tub? My geckos can climb out of a 15 qt sterilite 1754 or a 32 qt sterilite 1756 pretty easily. They're only 6" tall.
 

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