Murphy's patternless?

Elisa

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Getting straight to the point: How would you tell an animal with Murphy's patternless vs one without. Also are there any distinguishing features of an animal that is het for the trait??
 

Mel&Keith

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It's usually very easy to tell as babies but can be much harder as adults or with other pattern dominant morphs thrown in. Baby and juvenile Patternless hatch with spots (lack of pattern rather than pigmented) that fade as they get older. This makes it easy to id them when they are young but many adults can look very similar to Blizzards so it gets tougher. There's no way to tell if a Leo is het for Patternless unless you bought it labeled with those genetics. One of the dead giveaways between Murphy's Patternless and Patternless Stripe is tail pattern. If the gecko has a pattern or stripe on it's tail then it's not a Murphy's Patternless.
 

Khrysty

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The only way to know for sure whether they're het patty is to test breed them. If a parent was het patternless (like the sire of the two hatchlings you got from me) there's a 50% chance that they're also het.
 

sablebeauty

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Not to thread hijack here but how can you tell the difference between a murphey's patternless and other patternless albinos?
 

Khrysty

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Not to thread hijack here but how can you tell the difference between a murphey's patternless and other patternless albinos?

Generally a Murphy's Patternless is a dull olive to a light butter yellow (body) and lavender (tail).

When mixed with an albino strain the colors differ slightly. The dead giveaway, however, is that Patternless Albinos have albino eyes.

Side note - -
When most people say 'patternless albino" they mean Murphy's Patternless Albino. However, "patternless stripe" is a linebred trait unrelated to the Murphy's Patternless morph. You usually find it in RAPTOR/APTOR projects.
 

Elisa

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Can anyone link some pictures of some baby Murphy's patternless? Or maybe explain in greater detail what exactly makes them deffernt. They have spots instead of stripes? Ty for all your input btw
 

Jordan

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realised theres no pics of juveniles on the MP section so when they hatch they look like a dull yellow colour with tan coloured spots. the spots are quite big and usually sort of go in strait lines vertical lines down their body.
 

Khrysty

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Can anyone link some pictures of some baby Murphy's patternless? Or maybe explain in greater detail what exactly makes them deffernt. They have spots instead of stripes? Ty for all your input btw

Here's a picture of one of my patties as a baby :)
 

prettyinpink

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Not to thread hijack here but how can you tell the difference between a murphey's patternless and other patternless albinos?

I had a difficult time with this too. But once I attended a reptile show I saw a huge difference. The normals (murphy none albino) is a LOT duller looking, the albino is more bright, and has the albino eyes (mine is tremper)
 

Quantumhigh

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It's usually very easy to tell as babies but can be much harder as adults or with other pattern dominant morphs thrown in. Baby and juvenile Patternless hatch with spots (lack of pattern rather than pigmented) that fade as they get older. This makes it easy to id them when they are young but many adults can look very similar to Blizzards so it gets tougher. There's no way to tell if a Leo is het for Patternless unless you bought it labeled with those genetics. One of the dead giveaways between Murphy's Patternless and Patternless Stripe is tail pattern. If the gecko has a pattern or stripe on it's tail then it's not a Murphy's Patternless.

Example of spots and fading in a juvenile Snow Patty Albino
Like what Mel&Keith say. From what I understanding the small bloched pattern as a baby is the best way to tell as it with fade out as they get older

example of snow murphy patternless albino
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and him 100days later..
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Mel&Keith

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Here's another example of a (Rainwater) Patternless Albino juvenile -
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Adult Patternless -
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Adult Patternless (who had changed shades facing the sun coming in the window) -
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The same gecko a few minutes later (lighter) -
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Mack Snow Patternless hatchling -
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As you can see Patternless come in a variety of shades (especially when you throw in Mack Snow or Albino genes) and they can change shades depending on temperature or mood. That's why it's really ideal to know the exact genetics you're buying!
 

sablebeauty

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Okay so here's my gecko, can anyone tell me what she is? Rainwater Patternless or Murphey's Patternless?
When I got her and now:

03.14.10.
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08.23.10.
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Today, 09.20.10.
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Mel&Keith

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The easiest way to tell if it's a Rainwater Patternless or Tremper Patternless is by the pupils. They can be really hard to photograph but if the pupils are a deep, deep red color that almost appears to glow inside then it's a Tremper Patternless and if the pupils are a completely opaque black then they are Rainwater Patternless.
 

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