"my email to pet&co" from pangea forum

marula

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hi...like a girl in pangea forum and like others from the same forum, i had send an email to pet&co administrator about the bad conditions of their animals in the shop in my area...this is the mail

Hello,

I have been a dedicated and satisfied customer of Petco for many years
now. However, I have decided to write to you about an issue, which has
been bothering me for some time.

For the past two years I have been keeping and breeding crested
geckos. I often stop by and take to the store in my area, denton.
However, I have been disappointed with the conditions under which they
are kept. crested and leopard geckos are living under unfavorable
conditions, which are stressing them out and making them sick. After
all, your goal should be to sell healthy animals.

Here are the issues I am concerned with:

Diet: I am told that the crested geckos are only fed crickets and
mealworms. These animals are fruit eaters as well. The absolute best
thing you should feed them is the T-Rex Crested Gecko Diet, which is a
complete diet. Crickets and mealworms may be fed to them but are not
necessary. You do sell T-Rex at all your stores.

Substrate: You are risking choking when you keep crested geckos on
birch bark. When crested geckos hunt crickets, they could swallow some
of the bark. This problem would be solved if you change their diet to
the above-mentioned Crested Gecko Diet.

Humidity and Temperature: Much of the time I see the thermometer read
85 degrees in their enclosure. This is a temperature at which crested
geckos begin to get stressed. Temperatures should be lowered. The
humidity is way too low as well. Today I saw one gecko, which had a
severe shedding problem. Old skin was stuck on because of low
humidity. Their enclosures should be misted twice a day to keep
humidity closer to 60%.

Housing: There were at least six crested geckos of various sizes in
one small enclosure. One of the two small babies had a bite on its
head. They should be separated by size to prevent the larger ones from
bullying the smaller ones. Also, in the wild, crested geckos are found
in shrubs and bushes. They climb and hide and should be provided with
at least an artificial plant. Some of the ones I saw today were hiding
under the substrate and on top of the thermometer or humidity gage.

Your Crested Gecko Care Sheet, which you provide to your customers,
includes most of this information. It would be logical for you to
follow your own care sheet. The only thing I would change on the care
sheet is the information on the diet.

...last week i was going to take my week dog food pack ...i found 3
little leos death on the cage...
i has decided to buy my dog food in another place..
i hope to restart to caming in your shop soon

marula furlan


this is their reply

Good morning

Thank you for sending your concerns regarding our Denton store. I assume you are referring to Denton, Texas?

I have already asked the Regional Companion Animal Coordinator (RCAC) for that area to check out this store and correct any issues immediately, and address any personnel/training issues in that store. The RCAC will be contacting you shortly to follow up with you.

I want you to know that we take animal care very seriously and as such, we provide specific direction for the care of all our animals to our stores. All of our care instructions, approved substrate choices, diet, etc are not only approved by our Director of Vet Medicine, we also have an outside "Independent Animal Care Advisory Council review these as well. It sounds like this store may not be following these instructions.

Thank you again for sending us your concerns on this store. We will follow up immediately


...i know...not a mail can change the world...but i hope they send an ispector for change a little the life of the geckos in the shop near me...
 

marula

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yes, an some others have the same reply for more intent to fix the problem in others petshop!
this administrator is really kindness!!
i hope to see something different in the petstore of my city soon...
 

Scott&Nikki

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When I bought mine from Petco they had them all on sand and recommended I put them on sand, especially while they are young (explains why I used sand at first). After having many discussions with the helpful people on here, I went back there to get some crickets and saw a friend of mine working at the cash register. I told him how I was pissed they would give me information like that without at least telling me possible consequences of it. He told me that the issue has been a big problem in their store. One of his friends came in to apply for a job and started screaming at the manager, during his interview, about the way they kept their leos. He said since then, many employees are bringing up the same subject to her and she goes nuts screaming that sand is fine and "this is the way we do it here". So that shot any idea I had of speaking to a manager about the issue. On one hand, it's good that employees and such are trying to get things changed. Unfortunately, they aren't succeeding.
 

marula

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this is the mail of the ispector that i had received today

Good Morning
Thankyou for you email about your concerns about crested gecko care at the Denton store. We take animal care and customer concerns very seriously. I am in the process of investigating this and would appreciate very much if you would give me more details as to the store location, such as the address, city or state. The Denton store is located in Texas and your web site information shows that you live on the East coast. Please email
Thank you
Nettie Pedro
Regional Companion Animal Coordinator

and this is my reply

hi,
i live in aubrey (tx) near denton.
the store that i tolking about is in front of the golden triangle mall
(2201 S Interstate 35 E Denton, TX 76205, US) in tho other side of the
street, the loop 288, behind burger king)

for several times i found crested geckos in bad conditions: only baby
food without Crested Gecko Diet (and i'm sure about this becaus when
you put CGD in the baby food the babyfood change his color), humidity
to low, crickett too big in the tank and babies an adult in the same
little tank.
last time (something like one week ago) in the leopard geckos tank i
has see 3 little babies death and other 2 in bad condition with skin
and shedding for the low level of humidity. they put something like 15
little babies in the same little tank
i buy my first gecko in a pet&co store...but see animals in this
condition convince me to serch reputable breeder for buy animals and
don't buy more geckos in shops
..
i have 57 geckos now..
i hope you be able to chage something..and i'm sure you have the
better intentions. your care sheet is really nice and expecially for
this i don't undestand why imployed don't take the right care of their
animals
regards
marula furlan
aubrey, TX

....i hope never see again some little babies death in the tank :(
 

marula

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...i'm so sad...
they reply again to me for say they visit the store this morning (impossible...before my mail they don't know the location and they reply at my last mail 40 minuts after...so...if the ispector stay in dallas is impossible for him go to the stor, take a look and after send to me his last mail about reptiles condition)..
...they say "all animals look healthy and in good conditions. all leos don't have signs of shedding and stay with others of the same size"...he don't tolking about the high number of leo in the same cage and he don't say nothing about the poor babies died in the cage last week...
he say in this shop they take the correct care of their animals...if i whan't i can tolking with the manager if i found something wrong...

so...
PLEASE! STOP TO BUY ANIMALS IN PET STORES!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!
AND FOR SURE: NEXT TIME I TAKE PICS OF DEATH ANIMALS AND I CALL THE ASSOCIATION FOR ANIMALS ABUSE!
...this is a fuc.... world :(
 
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bittner_344

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i bet he didnt even go there, he probly just asked the manager about the disgusting situations the geckos were in! i hate to see leo, cresties and all other geckos in such bad condition:(
thanks for posting
-brett
 

Ian S.

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What a shame Marula. You did a great job bringing the issue to their attention, and you received more from them than I ever have. All the petco's here in MA & NH suck!! A friend of mine managed the reptiles and fish department here in plaistow, NH and was fired for getting on and staying on the managers ass about the husbandry,care,and conditions of their herps. He said the way they see it is, if a kid buys a pet and it croaks past their seven day - two week warrenty or what ever it is.... oh well he comes back and buys another one. It is a sick sick world we live in when someone is willing to stake a life for $30 bucks. The only way to stop the bull$#@tting at these chains is for folks to band together and push the envelope on these fools. I have yet to see a healthy leo at the petco's here in my neck of the woods.

A++ for effort Marula and thank you.
 
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marula

marula said:
...i'm so sad...
they reply again to me for say they visit the store this morning (impossible...before my mail they don't know the location and they reply at my last mail 40 minuts after...so...if the ispector stay in dallas is impossible for him go to the stor, take a look and after send to me his last mail about reptiles condition)..
...they say "all animals look healthy and in good conditions. all leos don't have signs of shedding and stay with others of the same size"...he don't tolking about the high number of leo in the same cage and he don't say nothing about the poor babies died in the cage last week...
he say in this shop they take the correct care of their animals...if i whan't i can tolking with the manager if i found something wrong...

so...
PLEASE! STOP TO BUY ANIMALS IN PET STORES!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!
AND FOR SURE: NEXT TIME I TAKE PICS OF DEATH ANIMALS AND I CALL THE ASSOCIATION FOR ANIMALS ABUSE!
...this is a fuc.... world :(
...at least you tried to do something Marula...the only thing that these people will re-act to...is :main_angry: pictures and reporting them for abuse!
 
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good job for trying to get herp justice... I'm getting my first gecko at pet&co today, hopefully I wont be dissappointed....
 

moosassah

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Anything for the good ol' American dollar. Maybe those with cell phone cameras could start taking pics & post them on the web.
 

crayolaskies

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moosassah said:
Anything for the good ol' American dollar. Maybe those with cell phone cameras could start taking pics & post them on the web.


I would've yesterday if I couldv'e, but my phone doesn't have a camera. I went to my Petco yesterday to get some mealies and was looking at the baby leopard geckos when I saw the saddest thing. One little leo that looked like it was a couple of months old had shed skin stuck on its arm just above the elbow. It had been on there a few days because it was really tight. It looked like the little arm was about to fall off! I tried to explain the situation to someone who worked there and do you know what she said to me? "It's supposed to be like that." I was dumbfounded and insisted it wasn't because I have five leos of my own and if the skin doesn't come all the way off, it tightens and can make toes and stuff fall off. Finally she told me she'd take a look. I don't know if she ever did because I had to get out of there. I just felt sick.
 
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