My Leopard Gecko has never eaten - long post
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KDFreder
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I beg to differ.....
Not really. Seems there was more attacking, assuming, arguing, ie:
"...Do not handl her until you see her eating and geting use to her new cage you are puting alot of stress on her and you are making it much harder for her to settle down"
"WOW! You are certainly going in the wrong direction. You have Too much heat across the whole tank if the UTH is OK You are cooking her if the heat sources are working You heard the last from me so you can relax"
"If your dog wasn't eating you wait two months before you took him to the vet? I don't think you would, so why are you trying to solve this problem yourself, it is obviously a medical issue; but everyone thinks ohh its a leo I'll wait 6 months before I try to get help"
"This post can no longer help you, we have told you everything there is about what could be wrong. We aren't doctors and we can't fix medical issues with some temp. and husbandry tips"
"If you don't have the money to support a pet when it neeeds medical attention, then why do you buy it? You should consider this before buying any animal"
And, as Adinar stated:
"After reading thru this thread this had me wondering, when the hell did slamming other people become ok? Grow up people. The person asked for advice, not to be riddiculed".
My thoughts exactly, Adinar.
For the record, some of you spoke as if assuming I purchased an animal without being able to take care of it, nor willing to take it to a vet, nor had the $$ to do so, nor that I had even had a gecko before. You assumed I do not value its life, and that I have done nothing but watch it starve for 2 months. You tell me I have it way too hot, then it's way too cold; I'm handling it too much; I'm handling it too little. You did not read my initial post completely or carefully, then commented on things I already explained - which by the way, is the reason I took the time to write all that in the first place: so I wouldn't get the questions I already knew I would get. You assume I have never had a leopard gecko before, nor cared for other animals lives. You yell and insult me, then why not yell at all those other posts who states their geckos have not eaten in several months either - oh, and there are many...they probaby sat by and just watched their geckos starve without doing anything or giving a crap too, huh? You assume I have not extensively researched, nor talked to the vet, nor consulted a reptile vet in my area. You speak to me as if my asking for information on these extensively used forums for health information was ridiculous of me. Let me ask then why is there even a health and medications Forum on here?
You don't know me, don't know anything about me, who I am, what kind of animals I have or have had, or what my experiences have been with leopard geckos or any other animals.
I've had leopard geckos for the past several years. I've had 2 saltwater reef tanks for the past 9 years, 3 freshwater tanks, 2 cats, and 3 dogs, a love for scuba diving, and an interest and investment in marine and animal conservation, and I would never neglect, abuse, or mistreat any animal: gecko, fish, dog, or otherwise. I do extensive research before I choose any animal for my care, as I noted in my initial post. I am also a 35-year old mom with a home and a full-time job.
I would appreciate it if I was not treated like an imbecil who thinks she can take a pet home and then ask what she's supposed to do next.
Not really. Seems there was more attacking, assuming, arguing, ie:
"...Do not handl her until you see her eating and geting use to her new cage you are puting alot of stress on her and you are making it much harder for her to settle down"
"WOW! You are certainly going in the wrong direction. You have Too much heat across the whole tank if the UTH is OK You are cooking her if the heat sources are working You heard the last from me so you can relax"
"If your dog wasn't eating you wait two months before you took him to the vet? I don't think you would, so why are you trying to solve this problem yourself, it is obviously a medical issue; but everyone thinks ohh its a leo I'll wait 6 months before I try to get help"
"This post can no longer help you, we have told you everything there is about what could be wrong. We aren't doctors and we can't fix medical issues with some temp. and husbandry tips"
"If you don't have the money to support a pet when it neeeds medical attention, then why do you buy it? You should consider this before buying any animal"
And, as Adinar stated:
"After reading thru this thread this had me wondering, when the hell did slamming other people become ok? Grow up people. The person asked for advice, not to be riddiculed".
My thoughts exactly, Adinar.
For the record, some of you spoke as if assuming I purchased an animal without being able to take care of it, nor willing to take it to a vet, nor had the $$ to do so, nor that I had even had a gecko before. You assumed I do not value its life, and that I have done nothing but watch it starve for 2 months. You tell me I have it way too hot, then it's way too cold; I'm handling it too much; I'm handling it too little. You did not read my initial post completely or carefully, then commented on things I already explained - which by the way, is the reason I took the time to write all that in the first place: so I wouldn't get the questions I already knew I would get. You assume I have never had a leopard gecko before, nor cared for other animals lives. You yell and insult me, then why not yell at all those other posts who states their geckos have not eaten in several months either - oh, and there are many...they probaby sat by and just watched their geckos starve without doing anything or giving a crap too, huh? You assume I have not extensively researched, nor talked to the vet, nor consulted a reptile vet in my area. You speak to me as if my asking for information on these extensively used forums for health information was ridiculous of me. Let me ask then why is there even a health and medications Forum on here?
You don't know me, don't know anything about me, who I am, what kind of animals I have or have had, or what my experiences have been with leopard geckos or any other animals.
I've had leopard geckos for the past several years. I've had 2 saltwater reef tanks for the past 9 years, 3 freshwater tanks, 2 cats, and 3 dogs, a love for scuba diving, and an interest and investment in marine and animal conservation, and I would never neglect, abuse, or mistreat any animal: gecko, fish, dog, or otherwise. I do extensive research before I choose any animal for my care, as I noted in my initial post. I am also a 35-year old mom with a home and a full-time job.
I would appreciate it if I was not treated like an imbecil who thinks she can take a pet home and then ask what she's supposed to do next.
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Geckonut
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Three things:
Rheostats suck! Get a good proportional stat like a herpstat or helix to maintain more stable temps.
Second...have you tried stimulating her appetite by giving it some waxworms? These are irresistable for even the most finicky leos. Once eating you can get her back on mealies, crickets, etc.
Thirdly...Albey, Tremper, and Sykes (among others) keep their warm side at 88-90. I know many here feel otherwise, but these 3 guys are perhaps the most successful breeders around and they know what the hell they are doing. I think 96-97 is way too warm and could shorten the life of your leos and cause other problems too. Vets concur with that.
Rheostats suck! Get a good proportional stat like a herpstat or helix to maintain more stable temps.
Second...have you tried stimulating her appetite by giving it some waxworms? These are irresistable for even the most finicky leos. Once eating you can get her back on mealies, crickets, etc.
Thirdly...Albey, Tremper, and Sykes (among others) keep their warm side at 88-90. I know many here feel otherwise, but these 3 guys are perhaps the most successful breeders around and they know what the hell they are doing. I think 96-97 is way too warm and could shorten the life of your leos and cause other problems too. Vets concur with that.
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leonewbie
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Geckonut-The issue of temps here has been brought up many times, and it has been mentioned that a) Tremper and others are not gecko gods, just bigger breeders, it doesnt mean they are the end all of information. b) you don't need to curse, it's not becoming to an argument c) Raising the temps of leos for Tremper and others just by those few degrees can cost them a substantial amount of money.
Everyone has an opinion, and i personally keep my leos around 94, but it has gone up to 96 without problem at all, in fact, anything below 91-92 tends to cause my leos to eat less and be much more sluggish. Everyone has a differing opinion on this topic, but everyone should go by their experience and what works best for their animals.
Everyone has an opinion, and i personally keep my leos around 94, but it has gone up to 96 without problem at all, in fact, anything below 91-92 tends to cause my leos to eat less and be much more sluggish. Everyone has a differing opinion on this topic, but everyone should go by their experience and what works best for their animals.
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Geckonut
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Curse??? LOL
I'll take Tremper's, Sykes', and Albey's opinions over yours sweety. Sorry. Take a look at their geckos sometime.
I'll take Tremper's, Sykes', and Albey's opinions over yours sweety. Sorry. Take a look at their geckos sometime.
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leonewbie
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Yes, curse. It's unnecessary, and i believe a TOS violation.
I'm not saying to take my opinion over anyone's, im saying that everyone has something that works for them. The big breeders breed a ton of Leos every year, and if you think about 1k+ leos, all with temps at 94, that equals a huge difference in electric bills between 89 and 94.
I'm not saying to take my opinion over anyone's, im saying that everyone has something that works for them. The big breeders breed a ton of Leos every year, and if you think about 1k+ leos, all with temps at 94, that equals a huge difference in electric bills between 89 and 94.
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Geckonut
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Oh, puleeeeeze!
Riyo
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Not trying to add fuel to the fire here, but leonewbie has a point, it probably could make quite a difference in an electric bill when you keep hundreds of animals. On top of that, there are many other big breeders that keep their geckos higher than 92F. Temps are going to be debated just as rabidly as substrate...
It's all about what works for you and your animals, like it has been said.
But this thread has unfortunately been derailed.
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Geckonut
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I do agree that certain areas may warrant different temps. I just think the continual argument for high temps like 95-97 is overdone and without factual veterinary science backing. While geckos may indeed eat better and are more active at higher temps, is raising their metabolism and activity level by cranking up their temp in their health's long term best interest?
Additionally, I doubt Ron Tremper is concerned about paying a few extra bucks for his electric bill. That argument is ludicrous.
BTW, if I'm not mistaken Tremper has a male around 28 years old and it is still breedable. Guess 86-90 works pretty well for him huh?
Additionally, I doubt Ron Tremper is concerned about paying a few extra bucks for his electric bill. That argument is ludicrous.
BTW, if I'm not mistaken Tremper has a male around 28 years old and it is still breedable. Guess 86-90 works pretty well for him huh?
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Geckonut
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Not to belabor the point, but I think this is worthwhile dialogue and another thought needs to be considered.
Mother Nature is the ultimate scientist when it comes down to it. And...at what temps are leo eggs incubated at...80s, up to 90 degrees correct? Isn't that alone a pretty compelling argument as to what temps are ideal for the leopard gecko? Makes sense to me. So if high 90s were so ideal for leos, why not so for the egg temps? Think about it.
Mother Nature is the ultimate scientist when it comes down to it. And...at what temps are leo eggs incubated at...80s, up to 90 degrees correct? Isn't that alone a pretty compelling argument as to what temps are ideal for the leopard gecko? Makes sense to me. So if high 90s were so ideal for leos, why not so for the egg temps? Think about it.
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This is just silly.. There is no reason we should be belittling people..
First of all.. If 95+ was too hot for our geckos.. Why do we hold them then? Remember.. Our body temperature is 98.6 (usually) and they seem to enjoy that.
KD, I'm sorry your thread has gotten absurdly derailed. If you haven't done so, I agree with the others in suggesting a fecal exam from a vet. Even if the sample is really small, as long as it is fresh, you should be okay. If she has stopped producing "samples", Marcia's Slurry is GREAT. I highly recommend it.
Also, I do not believe it is loneliness as leopard geckos are solitary creatures.
Again, I'm sorry your thread has gone so far off topic. Please don't be discouraged by some of the responses here. We are all very passionate (as I'm sure you can tell). Some of us just happen to come off a little headstrong and do not know how to post our opinions in a sensible matter. =)
Good luck~
First of all.. If 95+ was too hot for our geckos.. Why do we hold them then? Remember.. Our body temperature is 98.6 (usually) and they seem to enjoy that.
KD, I'm sorry your thread has gotten absurdly derailed. If you haven't done so, I agree with the others in suggesting a fecal exam from a vet. Even if the sample is really small, as long as it is fresh, you should be okay. If she has stopped producing "samples", Marcia's Slurry is GREAT. I highly recommend it.
Also, I do not believe it is loneliness as leopard geckos are solitary creatures.
Again, I'm sorry your thread has gone so far off topic. Please don't be discouraged by some of the responses here. We are all very passionate (as I'm sure you can tell). Some of us just happen to come off a little headstrong and do not know how to post our opinions in a sensible matter. =)
Good luck~
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Geckonut
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Gonser
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I have to agree with Geckonut on this.
He/she is trying to convey some factual info while being attacked by childish comments from kids who I guess do not realize that Ron T has been doing this for 50 years, developed most all of the morphs that we pirate today, and produces some of the best leos on the planet!!
Geesh. If you want to use higher temps go ahead. Advising others to when it may not be the best thing for their leos in reality is wrong.
I advise folks on the fence with temps to do some reading on the physiology of leos and then decide what temp to use.
Good luck all.
He/she is trying to convey some factual info while being attacked by childish comments from kids who I guess do not realize that Ron T has been doing this for 50 years, developed most all of the morphs that we pirate today, and produces some of the best leos on the planet!!
Geesh. If you want to use higher temps go ahead. Advising others to when it may not be the best thing for their leos in reality is wrong.
I advise folks on the fence with temps to do some reading on the physiology of leos and then decide what temp to use.
Good luck all.
Riyo
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I'm not going to continue to derail this post anymore, but really, Gonser? We're "attacking" Geckonut with "Childish comments"? I think it's the other way around.
Anyway, start a new thread for temperature debates. I'm done.
Anyway, start a new thread for temperature debates. I'm done.
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Yes. Because the ambient air temperature in a tank/tub is 95 degrees if the floor temp is 95. Forgot. Please excuse me. /endsarcasm.
And Gonser.. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read some of GeckoNut's posts more thoroughly.... :main_rolleyes: The only childish comments here were coming from him.
And Gonser.. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read some of GeckoNut's posts more thoroughly.... :main_rolleyes: The only childish comments here were coming from him.
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Gonser
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It looks like he's dropped it and I suggest you do the same. Enough sparring.
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