My newest isn't eating well...

[blueappal]

So do anyone of you know an awesome vet near Lexington KY? She's a 5-6 month old blizzard... in a 10gal long, on newspaper, 3 hides w/ uth, humidity and temp gradient. I try smaller superworms and waxworms... She was eating and pooping great up until I started noticing something this week. I had cleaned her cage last week... and she's only pooped once since. I have had her since August 21 I think...

She's the first one in this set.

Thanks for any help.

 

[gecko4245]

That can happen with superworms.
Can you fill this out:

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=70912

 

[blueappal]

About your leo:
- Sex - Female
- Age & Weight - 6 months - n/a
- How long have you owned your leo - Nearly 2 months
- Where was he/she obtained (ex. Pet store, breeder, wild caught, friend) - Breeder/Expo

A) Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo - 2-4 times per week. She is easily stressed.
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how does he/she normally act which differs from now. No difference today as opposed to yesterday... but when I first obtained her, she was fast and feisty. Over the past week(ish) she seems sluggish and weak.
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe. N/A
B) Fecals
- Describe (look any different than normal) No different, but only 1 small one and 1 bigger one since about 8days.
- When was the last time he/she went - Last Night
C) Problem
- Please briefly describe the problem and how long it has been going on

Well, she's very week and not eating well. A little skinny, but she is young, too.

Housing:
A) Enclosure
- Size 10 gallon long
- Type (ex. glass tank) Glass
- Type of substrate - Newpaper
- Hides, how many, what kind 2 Plastic & 1 fake wood.
B) Heating
- Heat source - UTH
- Cage temps (hot side, cool side) 91 - 73
- Method of regulating heat source N/A
- What are you using to measure your temps Digital Therms
- Do you have any lights (describe) Black Light/Moon
C) Cage mates
- How many (males, females) None
- Describe health, or previous problems N/A

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet
- What you're feeding (how often, how much) Everyday, 2 baby superworms - lately I'm only leaving 1. She refuses to eat. She has ate a few wax worms, but turned them down last night and tonight.
- How are you feeding (hand fed, left in dish, ect) Left in dish
B) Supplements (describe how often)
- What vitamin/minerals are you using (list brands) - Fluckers Cal
- What are you gut loading food with - Carrots

 

[blueappal]

I watching her drink water right now.

I would like to add that she did shed around 2 weeks ago and still has a small piece of skin on her nose.

 

[reps4life]

About your leo:
- Sex - Female
- Age & Weight - 6 months - n/a
- How long have you owned your leo - Nearly 2 months
- Where was he/she obtained (ex. Pet store, breeder, wild caught, friend) - Breeder/Expo

A) Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo - 2-4 times per week. She is easily stressed.
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how does he/she normally act which differs from now. No difference today as opposed to yesterday... but when I first obtained her, she was fast and feisty. Over the past week(ish) she seems sluggish and weak.
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe. N/A
B) Fecals
- Describe (look any different than normal) No different, but only 1 small one and 1 bigger one since about 8days.
- When was the last time he/she went - Last Night
C) Problem
- Please briefly describe the problem and how long it has been going on

Well, she's very week and not eating well. A little skinny, but she is young, too.

Housing:
A) Enclosure
- Size 10 gallon long
- Type (ex. glass tank) Glass
- Type of substrate - Newpaper
- Hides, how many, what kind 2 Plastic & 1 fake wood.
B) Heating
- Heat source - UTH
- Cage temps (hot side, cool side) 91 - 73
- Method of regulating heat source N/A
- What are you using to measure your temps Digital Therms
- Do you have any lights (describe) Black Light/Moon
C) Cage mates
- How many (males, females) None
- Describe health, or previous problems N/A

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet
- What you're feeding (how often, how much) Everyday, 2 baby superworms - lately I'm only leaving 1. She refuses to eat. She has ate a few wax worms, but turned them down last night and tonight.
- How are you feeding (hand fed, left in dish, ect) Left in dish
B) Supplements (describe how often)
- What vitamin/minerals are you using (list brands) - Fluckers Cal
- What are you gut loading food with - Carrots

I would recommend to raise her temp up to 94-95 on the hot side ground.
Superworms are not very healthy unless properly gutloaded. Are you using Calcium with D?

 

[blueappal]

I would recommend to raise her temp up to 94-95 on the hot side ground.
Superworms are not very healthy unless properly gutloaded. Are you using Calcium with D?

Are carrots and a basic worm food mix not enough for gut loading?

Calcium with D3... yes. What's the difference between D and D3?

 

[reps4life]

Are carrots and a basic worm food mix not enough for gut loading?

Calcium with D3... yes. What's the difference between D and D3?

They need both 1 with D and 1 without and should be phosphorus free. Do you mean the wheat bran that already comes in a cup with the worms?

 

[blueappal]

Nah... Dry rice baby food and a bag of worm food from thewormcompany.com

Also... would the lack of calcium w/o D, be causing her this much grief?

 

[reps4life]

Nah... Dry rice baby food and a bag of worm food from thewormcompany.com

Also... would the lack of calcium w/o D, be causing her this much grief?

No, It's just best to keep a small dish with plain calcium in the enclosure so that she can lick it up as needed. Does her feces look normal?

 

[blueappal]

I normally place the calcium in one half of the feeding bowl. Then drop the worm(s) in there; however, I leave the calcium for a cpl days then change it.

Her poop looks normal... If compared to my older and healthy leo, but it's few and far between.

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[reps4life]

I watching her drink water right now.

I would like to add that she did shed around 2 weeks ago and still has a small piece of skin on her nose.

Does she have a humid hide?

 

[blueappal]

So maybe i should change her diet? Mealies? I don't think she's strong enough to hunt down a cricket.

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[blueappal]

Does she have a humid hide?

Yes. I'm using a plastic container with a cut hole and wet paper towel.

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[reps4life]

I normally place the calcium in one half of the feeding bowl. Then drop the worm(s) in there; however, I leave the calcium for a cpl days then change it.

Her poop looks normal... If compared to my older and healthy leo, but it's few and far between.

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Try not handling her for a few days. Stress can cause many issues especially when they are young. It can also be the temps are a bit low so she is not able to digest fast enough. If she continues to look lethargic even after you raise the temps then a vet visit is in order.

 

[reps4life]

So maybe i should change her diet? Mealies? I don't think she's strong enough to hunt down a cricket.

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Ok, so she is very lethargic then. I would take her to the vet asap then.

 

[reps4life]

So maybe i should change her diet? Mealies? I don't think she's strong enough to hunt down a cricket.

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See, sometimes people say lethargic, when they just mean less active. What your describing now is real lethargy. There is definately a problem and she should be seen soon.

 

[blueappal]

I agree about the vet visit... This thread was basically for my own sanity until the start of the week. I may try a new feeder tomorrow anyways...

I also gave her a cpl days mid week to chill... Hoping it was stress. Nothing changed with her.



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[blueappal]

See, sometimes people say lethargic, when they just mean less active. What your describing now is real lethargy. There is definately a problem and she should be seen soon.

She is nothing like herself.

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[reps4life]

I agree about the vet visit... This thread was basically for my own sanity until the start of the week. I may try a new feeder tomorrow anyways...

I also gave her a cpl days mid week to chill... Hoping it was stress. Nothing changed with her.



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If she wasn't lethargic I would tell you to soak her to remove that shed, but I fear the stress of a bath can make things worst. Try dabbing her nose softly and carefully with a wet rag to help remove the shed of her nose.

 

[blueappal]

Dr. Jennifer Walker
Pennyroyal Small and Exotic Animal Hospital
247 Regency Circle
Lexington, KY 40503
Tel: (859) 277-4315
Fax: (859) 277-1842