New Male (Rescue)

[Nia2010]

New Male (Pre-Rescue)

I ran into this bloke and decided to buy him and sadly am not going to buy the one male from the breeder I was going to buy from.

This male is in okay condition, he just needs some more fattening up and he will be a great breeder male, no idea on age.

If I were to post his length and weight, can someone guess on age?

Well here he is, no name yet! Also need a morph ID

I didn't get him from petco.

Enjoying two crickets.

 

[blueangel817]

Lol love the last pic too cute

 

[LZRDGRL]

Nice big boy! The last picture is hilarious :main_rolleyes::main_laugh:

Alas, you can't judge age from weight. This gecko has a good weight; it's more than an "okay condition," it's a good condition :main_yes: He's certainly over a year old; you can tell from his body build. Judging from his pale color, I'd assume he is several years old or has been bred, because that makes them lose color.

He looks like he could be a sibling from a Red Stripe line; he is more of the patternless kind, but I have several Red Stripe siblings that look like this. You can see that his few spots are aligned almost like a stripe.

Doesn't the person you rescued him from have a clue about his age and provenance? He seems to have been taken cared for quite well. Usually, rescues are abandoned, sickly, skinny, and neglected.... He looks happy in his new big tank! And PETCO should pay you for doing advertising for them, heehee haha :main_laugh:

Chrissy

 

[fl_orchidslave]

That last pic is great! Is he laughing at you?? He looks to be in decent condition

 

[Nia2010]

Nice big boy! The last picture is hilarious :main_rolleyes::main_laugh:

Alas, you can't judge age from weight. This gecko has a good weight; it's more than an "okay condition," it's a good condition :main_yes: He's certainly over a year old; you can tell from his body build. Judging from his pale color, I'd assume he is several years old or has been bred, because that makes them lose color.

He looks like he could be a sibling from a Red Stripe line; he is more of the patternless kind, but I have several Red Stripe siblings that look like this. You can see that his few spots are aligned almost like a stripe.

Doesn't the person you rescued him from have a clue about his age and provenance? He seems to have been taken cared for quite well. Usually, rescues are abandoned, sickly, skinny, and neglected.... He looks happy in his new big tank! And PETCO should pay you for doing advertising for them, heehee haha :main_laugh:

Chrissy

:main_laugh: The people did not know anything about him, they get their geckos from a breeder then they sell them.

I consider him a rescue just because he was with 5 other, worse off geckos, in a 20 gallon tank, so thats 6 all together and I'm sure he wasn't the only male. :main_thumbsdown:

He is in real good condition, they have been there for a few months and have sadly gotten skinnier and worse since 4 months ago.

So he is over a year old and may have been bred?

Any Idea on morph I should call him? High Yellow or? :main_evilgrin:

 

[Wild West Reptile]

:main_laugh: The people did not know anything about him, they get their geckos from a breeder then they sell them.

These are the type of people that disgust me. By purchasing fron them your only encouraging them to buy and sell geckos they know nothing about. In my opinion you should never buy any animal from someone who has no clue what it is and especially if you have no clue either.

 

[M_surinamensis]

I ran into this bloke and decided to buy him

If you don't like the conditions or practices of an animal source, if you consider them to be negative such that you call the animal a "rescue" then you should not be giving them money and buying animals. Profiting from a practice enables and validates that practice, ensuring it will be repeated in the future.

If he wasn't in conditions you disliked, if he wasn't being mistreated, kept in exceptionally high-risk ways and isn't ill or injured, then he isn't a rescue. There's nothing wrong with buying a pet. You don't have to hide it behind misused terms and obfuscation.

he just needs some more fattening up and he will be a great breeder male

He needs quarantine. Lots of it.

Also need a morph ID

That's also a problem. You don't know what he is. You don't know his lineage. You specifically stated that he was not the animal you were looking to purchase as a breeder.

So why would you just push forward and use him in a project? Mystery animals obtained on a whim are rarely going to be good choices for breeding stock. Selective breeding is the way to produce the best offspring; identify a specific goal, choose the animals that are the best able to contribute towards it. A pattern, a color, size, health, history, mutations, even behaviors if you want to try something really long term... something, ideally everything, about your breeder stock should be notable as contributing towards a goal. It doesn't even matter what your specific goal is; identify and then obtain animals that will further it through the qualities they contribute. Conveniently cheap, or just happened to end up with... these are not good justifications for pairing up an animal.

 

[Nia2010]

I didn't plan on breeding without a blood test of course, it should be awhile before breeding.

I am not labeling him as a rescue, rescue, he was not kept in horrible conditions, he wasn't being sold fast enough and I believe he would have gotten even worse.

Didn't buy him just to breed, maybe might not ever breed him.

I'll be going back to the petstore and asking about his morph more clearly, however, place like that don't know anything and won't give out their breeders number.

I hope I haven't upset anyone for buying him, I never said he was in horrible condition, just wanted to save him before he got worse, I'm sure the others will be gotten. I visit the place often and if they don't get better with the animals, I'll report them.

 

[lillith]

I didn't plan on breeding without a blood test of course, it should be awhile before breeding.

I am not labeling him as a rescue, rescue, he was not kept in horrible conditions, he wasn't being sold fast enough and I believe he would have gotten even worse.

Didn't buy him just to breed, maybe might not ever breed him.

I'll be going back to the petstore and asking about his morph more clearly, however, place like that don't know anything and won't give out their breeders number.

I hope I haven't upset anyone for buying him, I never said he was in horrible condition, just wanted to save him before he got worse, I'm sure the others will be gotten. I visit the place often and if they don't get better with the animals, I'll report them.

I dunno, the title of the thread is: New Male(Rescue).

Seems to me you are calling it that. It also seems to me that you're getting most of your "future breeders" off of Craigslist and petstores.

Most breeders won't be buying offspring like that.
Only wholesalers for more pet stores.
You may want to rethink the sources for your collection.

I've been guilty of "OMG too cute I have to take it hoooome!" (my recent fat tail baby). But I didn't call it a rescue.

Also, what kind of blood test (for what are you looking for) is there that would make him set to be a breeder???

 

[Nia2010]

I dunno, the title of the thread is: New Male(Rescue).

Seems to me you are calling it that. It also seems to me that you're getting most of your "future breeders" off of Craigslist and petstores.

Most breeders won't be buying offspring like that.
Only wholesalers for more pet stores.
You may want to rethink the sources for your collection.

I've been guilty of "OMG too cute I have to take it hoooome!" (my recent fat tail baby). But I didn't call it a rescue.

Also, what kind of blood test (for what are you looking for) is there that would make him set to be a breeder???

I consider rescue to be any type of getting an animal out of a situation, if its healthy(like) mine or unhealthy. I really liked this male and have seen him there for awhile and decided to get him, like I mentioned I may never breed him, unless I get some type of tests done to see what morphs they have in them.

Never got any geckos off of craigslist, yes petstores, but im not the only one that does, and may not breed any of my leos, its an idea, but ill make sure whats in them.

I am not labeling him as a rescue, as in horrible condition, just rescuing him before he becomes any worse than he is, you know what I mean? I think of rescue different than you may do.

I'm sorry for coming off sounding like im going to breed him tomorrow and i rescued him from dieing, he is in great shape, just needs more fat, has all his toes.

Thanks for replying and sharing your opinion with me on everything, I'm not going to jump into anything, I've had geckos for a long time and may not breed any of my geckos, get breeders from people like lzrdgirl and ect to breed.

 

[OnlineGeckos]

The last picture is very cute, nice capture :main_thumbsup:

By the way, good for you to keep him in his own tank right off, and not breeding them right away. And my gosh you even use tiles and have proper husbandry. You're doing better than that other guy who tossed 2 random unknown sex/morph/age geckos into an existing 1.2 breeder group. So for that, I respect what you are doing.

And there are very passionate members on this forum that often come off sounding direct and harsh, but they just truly care about leopard geckos. So most of the times, they have good intentions.

 

[lillith]

"I may never breed him, unless I get some type of tests done to see what morphs they have in them."

If such a test exists, that's news to me!

Look... I'm sorry if I came across too harshly, but it is frustrating when I see posts that I interpret as "I have no idea what it is, but I'll breed it to see if I can figure it out!".

I have seen more of those kinds of posts here lately than I can remember in a long time.

 

[LZRDGRL]

Well, she probably thought you can do a blood DNA test to determine the morph! Sorry, that doesn't exist for leopard geckos , but in fact, I've just done that for my dog today! One of my dogs is from the Humane Shelter, and for my birthday, I got a DNA test kit with two swabs to get cells from the dog's mouth to send into a lab. The lab will determine which other kinds of breed make up my dog, besides Chocolate Labrador, which is obvious. The kit is called, "DNA Breed Identification" and is obtainable from companies like http://www.wisdompanel.com/ and www.BioPetVetLab.com, if anyone is interested :main_yes: But don't use it on geckos or yourself :main_laugh:

So, her initial idea wasn't stupid or so, it just doesn't work for leopard geckos! Don't scold her for that. She will keep this gecko as a pet, and for that it's suitable. She wanted to buy a male from my Tangerines for breeding (Belladonna and Lester's son, very colorful and not low-grade, and has an "ancestry"), so she has contacted a "breeder," if you regard me as such, and not Craig's list.

She just decided to give a nice, still healthy gecko a good home before he gets into a bad condition. There are countless people out here who also have a good heart but take in skinny, parasite-infested "rescues," so you should give her credit for picking a healthy-looking one to pamper.

As long as she doesn't breed her "mystery gecko" with unknown hets and throw unwanted babies with unknown hets on the market, nobody can have anything against her owning a healthy, fat gecko for pleasure. It is in proper quarantine, as you could see from the separate 20 gallon tank (a professional set-up with the right substrate, heating, and supplies). She has done nothing wrong in this regard.

While proper education is in order (in a friendly tone), it is not very nice to destroy the joy in new, young gecko owners to own a pet gecko. She can get a breeder male any time, from me or you or whomever she pleases, when the time is right. And believe me, from the many emails she sent me she is concerned about her geckos' well-being and cares for her animals!!!

Chrissy

 

[lillith]

I am glad you are jumping to her defense, but I just apologized.
I usually like to err on the side of friendly education, as well.

Maybe I'm just cranky today.
But picking up a fat and healthy leo is not a rescue.

And I did apologize. Should I do it again?

 

[Nia2010]

I understand why you came off the way you did, believe me, its the last thing I want to do to my geckos is breed without knowing morphs.

I'm sorry I consider rescue a little different than some others, I consider him called a pre-rescue before he became to far gone, he is in nice shape, toes all there, just needs some more fat placed in his belly and tail.

I weighed him, he is 57 grams, around the same as my adult female.

Like I told Lzrdgrl, I will go through her if I want any more geckos for breeding, If I can get the data I want on this male from the petstores breeder, as long as I get a female I know whats in, or my other leos know for sure whats in them, hets ect.

But that will be awhile from now before I even think of breeding, wanted to with Lzrdgrls male with one of my females, however wasn't going to do that either for a year or so.

Thanks everyone, no matter what tone you used, I understand for I've sadly seen the aftermath of unknown morphs breed with one another, parents these days.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

I was puzzled by the "rescue" part after seeing photos. Nia, please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to be harsh here, but if you ever took a gecko in that was knocking on death's door, you would know exactly what a rescue is. And what it isn't. There's nothing wrong with purchasing a gecko at a shop knowing that if it stayed long term it would decline. Many geckos decline in pet shops if they are there for any length of time, due to inadequate care in the hands of inexperienced employees. Stores want animals to be sold quickly so they don't decline. While you saved this gecko from declining, he was not a rescued gecko as your title leads into, but a store purchase.

It takes a lot of time and sometimes a good bit of expense for vet / medication when rehabilitating a rescued gecko.

 

[Nia2010]

I understand, I'll not label anything like a rescue unless like you mentioned, knocking at deaths door. He was far from it, but was slowly getting worse over the last few months.

Thanks! I'll update you all on how he turns out and when I find out whats in him.

 

[LZRDGRL]

Now you need to find a name for your new friend :main_yes: I see in your signature it's still a "no name" boy

Chrissy

 

[Nia2010]

Thinking of naming him Storm, was going to name the boy you sent me storm more than likely, to try to keep it close to snory lol.

I believe I'll name him Storm, considering it did storm later today and will tomorrow as well. I love thunderstorms, so soothing and he sooths me, such a sweet boy. Also knowing his sex helps, I don't think I'll change the name, might, considering how many times I've changed my other geckos names, lmao.

What do you think Lzrdgrl? Whats he look like to you?

And you also said he might have red stripe in him, anything else? I should be able to talk with the store owner and get her to talk to her breeder.

 

[LZRDGRL]

I'd think he's a Normal sibling from a Normal x Red Stripe, or Reverse Stripe non-Albino. There's no way to tell though. He has reduced spots, but you can detect a very faint stripe pattern. If you had a baby picture, that would help, because many hatchlings hatch with a stripe which they later lose, or which becomes dotted and/or broken. It would also help to see his clutch mates. Of course, you can't get all this. But regardless of what he is, he's big and healthy, and that's what counts.

Storm is a good name for him! :main_yes: "Snory-Snory" was kinda stupid and resulted from a period in which my geckos had names like "Wakey-Wakey," "Sleepy-Sleepy," "Nappy-Nappy," and "Snory-Snory" :main_laugh: Not very creative, but I ran out of names and had friends help me, and that's the result!

Chrissy