New Reasurch in to euthanasia

[im faster]

nvm.. thats pdf page 23

 

[im faster]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned on this thread, is feeding off a baby that isn't going to survive (for whatever reasons). It's what happens in the wild to weak animals. But in the case of a diseased animal, you wouldn't want to risk the health of another animal by feeding it off, and another method would be recommended.

I dont see a problem with this.

but pain wise i one would think that the "pain" of that would be worse than freezing right?

I dunno how i feel about this subject.

i HAVE used the freezer method before.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

You use the fridge to freezer method, right? I know that I learned it from others here on gf.

Usually, I try to have my vet give an injection directly into the heart. If my vet is not available, I place the gecko in a zip-lock bag and remove as much air as possible. I then place it in the refrigerator for at least 6 hours, until the gecko is unconscious and hopefully has asphyxiated. I then move it to the freezer overnight.

I'm not sure how 'humane' this method is, but I simply cannot feed a living animal to another one or give a blow to the head. Although I don't have any issues with someone feeding off animals, but it seems like a horrible way to die... to be eaten alive. Besides, if the feeder animal is sick, it could be transmitted to the recipient. I can't even feed live pinkies, I'm such a wuss.

 

[Wowoklol]

Cooling—It has been suggested that, when using physical methods of euthanasia in ectothermic species, cooling to 4 C will decrease metabolism and facilitate
handling, but there is no evidence that whole body cooling reduces pain or is clinically efficacious.
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Local cooling in frogs does reduce nociception, and this may be partly opioid mediated.
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Immobilization of reptiles by cooling is considered inappropriate and inhumane
even if combined with other physical or chemical methods of euthanasia. Snakes and turtles, immobilized by cooling, have been killed by subsequent freezing. This method is not recommended.
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Formation of ice crystals on the skin and in tissues of an animal may
cause pain or distress. Quick freezing of deeply anesthetized animals is acceptable.
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http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_welfare/euthanasia.pdf

My feelings exactly. According to this article, CO2 or other asphyxiation seems the most practical and humane for home use. If legal in your area. As long as your lizard can't hold its breath...

 

[sausage]

Firefox and google chrome i know have spell check built in. if you using one of them its not dyslexia thats your problem.

nope dont use either of them and didnt know they did that. And most of you are adults and should know better than to discriminate against people with disabilities. dyslexia dose not effect intellectual capabilities!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

In my experience with shipping geckos in cold weather, even if they are exposed to freezing temperatures they can recover from a 'cold coma' (4C = 39.2F 2C = 36F). Most refrigerators are kept at 36F, so freezing is only 4 degrees lower. A reptile subjected to prolonged temperatures under 36F will cause their metabolism to nearly shut down. This is why euthanizing a gecko in this manner should incorporate an airtight zip-lock bag so the gecko will go into a coma and asphyxiate before it is ever put in the freezer.

I agree that this method may be inhumane based on all the research that has been conducted, and euthanasia by fatal head trauma, lethal injection, or CO2 is the better option. However, how many reptile hobbyists have CO2 chambers on hand in case they need one?

 

[sausage]

I agree that this method may be inhumane based on all the research that has been conducted, and euthanasia by fatal head trauma, lethal injection, or CO2 is the better option. However, how many reptile hobbyists have CO2 chambers on hand in case they need one?

I 100% agree that the methods you have listed are the most humane except perhaps the head trauma mainly because if you miss or dont do it right you could double their pain even if it is for only seconds.

people that keep herps as pets i think should always play safe and use a vet. it is ment to be a pet afterall. but if you are a breeder or intending on breeding then a CO2 chamber should be an essential piece of every ones kit.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Even after the Co2, I recommend the freezer. There have been times rodents wake back up. I feel awful enough having to put an animal down, but really, real bad if it comes back. But this has only happened when the tank was almost empty.

 

[M_surinamensis]

There is an existing thread on this topic:
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=75333

That link leads to this thread. I looped around four or five times before I noticed, which probably says something about the pattern of content that emerges every time the subject is raised.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I looped around four or five times before I noticed, which probably says something about the pattern of content that emerges every time the subject is raised.

I know. Some subjects have been discussed w-a-a-a-y too many times in multiple posts. What a waste of time and bandwidth!

 

[sausage]

sorry but no ones making you participate. some of us like to be kept updated

 

[Tailless]

I 100% agree that the methods you have listed are the most humane except perhaps the head trauma mainly because if you miss or dont do it right you could double their pain even if it is for only seconds.

people that keep herps as pets i think should always play safe and use a vet. it is ment to be a pet afterall. but if you are a breeder or intending on breeding then a CO2 chamber should be an essential piece of every ones kit.

I agree.