Non-albino eclipse from Raptor parents - Update

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Its been a couple weeks since this little guy/girl hatched out on August 4th so I thought I would post some update photos. I really like how its changing, and I cant wait to see how it looks as an adult, I will post some more pics next month likely. So enjoy =)

P.S. x.x I already know albinoxalbino pairings should produce only albino offspring. But it didn't turn out that way and that's why I find it so interesting.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Here's its sibling too. Just thought I would add this as well.

 

[miiike]

Any pics of the parents? That's pretty interesting.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Father above, mother below.

 

[Paleofish]

Awesome! And interesting.:main_thumbsup:

 

[robin]

interesting. didnt you also produce something weird from a pairing that should not have hatched like it did?

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

interesting. didnt you also produce something weird from a pairing that should not have hatched like it did?

Yeah the non snow from a Patternless super snow x Super hypo. I talked to the guy I got it from (Pacific Geckos) he still swears up and down that there's no way that the male is a blizzard snow. I will figure out that this next season for sure. When I breed him to a patternless female.

The parents from this one was the only ones in the container other then a snow female who had already stopped laying for the year. And Ive got a lot of babies off this pair already this year but this is the first one that hatched out like this.

 

[Tony C]

There is something strange going on, either you mixed up some eggs or the genetics of your geckos are not what you were told they are. It simply is not possible to get a non-albino from two RAPTORs, nor is it possible to get a non-snow from a Mack Super Snow.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Here's how I keep my eggs in the incubator. When they are laid I put 2 to a container and mark the lid with the parents and date laid.

After the babies hatch I put the siblings together usually, some times I separate them if they are acting aggressive towards each other but that doesn't happen very often. After they get 20 grams I separate them into individual containers.
The non albino gecko hatched from the raptor parents with out a doubt. There's no way for me to have mixed the eggs up. The mother and father are both what they are said to be. The father came from Ron Tremper and the mother from Rob (Elapsid). They have produced me plenty of raptors and albinos het for raptor. This was the last clutch from that pair this year. The other female in the container with them had already laid her last clutch prior, and was not gravid with any more eggs at the time these was laid.
I'm not trying to make up stories or excuses for any mistakes. I'm just trying to share something interesting. With the other eggs I had hatch this month that was unusual (from the sspxsh pair) I can see where genetics could be confused cause there is other morphs that look a lot like the ssp morph. And that's why I'm considering the possibility of confused genetics. And I plan on proving that out next season. But when it comes to this pair's offspring I have no doubt in my mind who the parents are. I have no explanation for it otherwise.

 

[Tony C]

The non albino gecko hatched from the raptor parents with out a doubt.

That is not possible. Either it hatched from an egg that was not theirs, or they are not RAPTORs.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

That is not possible. Either it hatched from an egg that was not theirs, or they are not RAPTORs.

I have a question. Can you get an eclipse (2 solid black eyes) from a raptor bred to a snow? If the other parent is the snow (the only other female in this container) then she is a regular snow not het for anything. I'll admit I dont know the answer to this question cause I have never bred raptors before this year.

 

[BrilliantEraser]

Is it possible that there is a third (however unlikely) option? Perhaps this youngster has a mutation that masks albinism to some degree. As I said, unlikely, but if what the OP is saying is true, then this is the only other option that could work.

If I'm missing something, let me know.

 

[Tony C]

I have a question. Can you get an eclipse (2 solid black eyes) from a raptor bred to a snow? If the other parent is the snow (the only other female in this container) then she is a regular snow not het for anything. I'll admit I dont know the answer to this question cause I have never bred raptors before this year.

The snow would have to be non-albino (could be het) and either Eclipse or het Eclipse.

 

[Tony C]

Is it possible that there is a third (however unlikely) option? Perhaps this youngster has a mutation that masks albinism to some degree. As I said, unlikely, but if what the OP is saying is true, then this is the only other option that could work.

If I'm missing something, let me know.

It is possible that the gecko in question received a mutated version of the Tremper albino gene, but such mutations are very rare and the fact that other "impossible" hatchlings have appeared in the same collection this year points toward another cause. The chances of two major mutations showing up in a small collection in the same year are EXTREMELY low. I would buy lottery tickets if it happened to me.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

The snow would have to be non-albino (could be het) and either Eclipse or het Eclipse.

Yet she's not. Ive bred her to the raptor male all year and never got anything other then normals from her with a jungle pattern.

 

[BrilliantEraser]

Is it possible to do Gecko DNA parentage verification? Might be the only way to really solve this.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Is it possible to do Gecko DNA parentage verification? Might be the only way to really solve this.

Like a blood test? If so that would be VERY helpful

 

[BrilliantEraser]

Actually, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to. It would work the same as any other parentage verification test (gel electrphoresis). I think most vets should be able to send out to a lab for it. It's not very expensive, either. At least, it isn't for dogs and horses.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Actually, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to. It would work the same as any other parentage verification test (gel electrphoresis). I think most vets should be able to send out to a lab for it. It's not very expensive, either. At least, it isn't for dogs and horses.

I would of never thought to even check on something like this, thanks. I will call my vet tomorrow and ask her if she can do such a thing. If not her then there's other vets in town I can ask as well.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

arg frustration ! I called every vet in my town. 2 of them said I would have to go to the University in Knoxville. That's like 3 hours from here :wall: guess I can give them a call and try to find out if they can do it. Friend of mine is having her horse tested in order to get it registered. I asked her as well to find out from whoever it is that's doing that for her. She lives in the next town over so there might be a chance there.