Non-albino eclipse from Raptor parents - Update

Neo.Reptiliac

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This is really strange. I hope you figure it out.

I do too. I also wrote Ron Tremper. He's who I got my male from. His secretary or something got my emails and asked for photos, then said she would pass the info on to Ron and have him email me back. Perhaps he can shed some light on this issue as well. I wouldn't be so stubborn if I had any doubt the parents wasn't who I said they are. I just don't mix up eggs, I don't have enough geckos to get stuff mixed up. I spend half my time every day in the gecko room, watching the geckos closely, I know who's going to lay, and when they lay. Most the time the eggs are still soft and wet when I take them from the female who had just laid them.
 

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did you have these geckos in colonies?
No, the most to a cage was 1.2.. the only container that had more then that was my SSP with 3 Super Hypo females. To be exact I had 4 containers with breeders this year.

1.) Raptor, Raptor, Snow
2.) 1.1 Bell albinos
3.) SSP x 3 Super Hypos and 1 SSP female
4.) Super Snow x Super Hypo

I also had a couple tremper giants together but they didn't lay anything this year.
Ive hatched 15 babies this year and have 2 more clutches incubating. I might have 1 more bell albino clutch laid in the next week, but all the others have stopped laying.
 
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No, the most to a cage was 1.2.. the only container that had more then that was my SSP with 3 Super Hypo females. To be exact I had 4 containers with breeders this year.

1.) Raptor, Raptor, Snow
2.) 1.1 Bell albinos
3.) SSP x 3 Super Hypos and 1 SSP female
4.) Super Snow x Super Hypo

I also had a couple tremper giants together but they didn't lay anything this year.
Ive hatched 15 babies this year and have 2 more clutches incubating. I might have 1 more bell albino clutch laid in the next week, but all the others have stopped laying.
those are colonies!

ok so i am thinking you got eggs from your raptor x snow (who may have hidden hets). as long as you keep your animals in groups there is no way for their to be any validity on what animal laid what eggs if they are laying at the same time unless you saw them come right out her cloaca
 

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When I think of colonies I think of looooots of females to one male lol. I guess you can call what I have colonies if you want, but I consider it trios and pairs.
My female snow had already stopped laying before this pair of eggs came from my raptor female. I can tell that for a fact cause I check them for eggs every week by lifting them up and looking at the tummy. That trio has been split up ever since I got those last 2 eggs from my raptor female. You can believe me if you want to or not. I'm not stupid and I keep track of my animals. I don't have to see it coming out of the gecko to know it came from that gecko. I knew she was due to lay eggs, so I was checking every few hours to see if she had laid yet. Soon as the eggs was laid I collected them, marked the container they went in and put them in the incubator.
 

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Father above, mother below.
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Are you 100% mother is RAPTOR ?. Could she be RADAR ?.

Here's my line of thinking.

Talbino eclipse eye HET Balbino X Balbino eclipse eye HET Talbino = .

Eclipse eye HET Talbino,Balbino.
Balbino eclipse eye HET Talbino.
Talbino eclipse eye HET Balbino.
Talbinobalbino eclipse eye.
========
Or Father could be Typhoon ? mother RAPTOR.

Ralbino eclipse eye HET Talbino X Talbino eclipse eye HET Ralbino = .

Eclipse eye HET Talbino,Ralbino.
Ralbino eclipse eye HET Talbino.
Talbino eclipse eye HET Ralbino.
Talbinoralbino eclipse eye.

These breeding will give NON Albino from two Albino parents.
 

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Unless I was lied to about the genetics from the people I got both parents from then I don't see that as being a possibility. The father came from Ron Tremper. And the mother came from a breeder here on GF. As far as I know of, Ron doesn't have bells or any other albino types in his collection. And Rob the seller of my female, doesn't have any radars.
 

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Are you 100% mother is RAPTOR ?. Could she be RADAR ?.

Here's my line of thinking.

Talbino eclipse eye HET Balbino X Balbino eclipse eye HET Talbino = .

Eclipse eye HET Talbino,Balbino.
Balbino eclipse eye HET Talbino.
Talbino eclipse eye HET Balbino.
Talbinobalbino eclipse eye.
========
Or Father could be Typhoon ? mother RAPTOR.

Ralbino eclipse eye HET Talbino X Talbino eclipse eye HET Ralbino = .

Eclipse eye HET Talbino,Ralbino.
Ralbino eclipse eye HET Talbino.
Talbino eclipse eye HET Ralbino.
Talbinoralbino eclipse eye.

These breeding will give NON Albino from two Albino parents.

oh fml, that is not a bell albino. (unlesss it is a gecko with unknown hets). gaz you are making this even more confusing than it already is
 

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Unless I was lied to about the genetics from the people I got both parents from then I don't see that as being a possibility. The father came from Ron Tremper. And the mother came from a breeder here on GF. As far as I know of, Ron doesn't have bells or any other albino types in his collection. And Rob the seller of my female, doesn't have any radars.

i have had females lay eggs up to six weeks after what i thought was the last clutch it's somewhat common to have trhis happen. i am going for mom is the snow with unknown hets (for eclipse and possibly other stuff)
 

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i have had females lay eggs up to six weeks after what i thought was the last clutch it's somewhat common to have trhis happen. i am going for mom is the snow with unknown hets (for eclipse and possibly other stuff)

I recently had a female lay a viable egg nearly three months after her previous clutch...
 

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Also, sometimes it isn't as visible that a female is gravid as others. Sometimes they have eggs that aren't visually obvious.

There was a mix up in eggs. That is the bottom line, there is no way around it.
 

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Unless I was lied to about the genetics from the people I got both parents from then I don't see that as being a possibility. The father came from Ron Tremper. And the mother came from a breeder here on GF. As far as I know of, Ron doesn't have bells or any other albino types in his collection. And Rob the seller of my female, doesn't have any radars.

I'm not saying that you was miss lead, I know Ron doesn't deal in visual Balbinos or Ralbinos, But if Ron brough a leo in to his breeding stock that was HET Balbino or HET Ralbino, He wouldn't know. And could be selling HET Balbino or HET Ralbino with out knowing it.

Talbino and Ralbino can be very hard to tell apart. And chance your Male breeder is Ralbino eclipse ?. I'm not saying you've been miss lead but selling a Ralbino as a Talbino is easy done, And has been done afair few times.

You got a NON-Albino from some where, That either being the result of Albino strain crossing, Or you miss labled eggs. Or your female stored sperm from a pass mating, Is she new to your breeding stock.

If it is a Albino strain crossing, Me personally would faver of the below.

Or Father could be Typhoon ? mother RAPTOR.

Ralbino eclipse eye HET Talbino X Talbino eclipse eye HET Ralbino = .

Eclipse eye HET Talbino,Ralbino.
Ralbino eclipse eye HET Talbino.
Talbino eclipse eye HET Ralbino.
Talbinoralbino eclipse eye.

This breeding will give NON-Albino from two Albino parents.
 
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paulnj

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Simple answer........ Ask the person who you got the female from if they bred it last year to a eclipse . SPERM RETENTION is my answer :D

I and a few others have gotten animals that retained sperm for atleast 6 months....... unlikely in most cases, but possible.
 

Neo.Reptiliac

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Simple answer........ Ask the person who you got the female from if they bred it last year to a eclipse . SPERM RETENTION is my answer :D

I and a few others have gotten animals that retained sperm for atleast 6 months....... unlikely in most cases, but possible.

When I got her last year she was just 20 grams. She hadn't been with another male.
 

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