phantom

[adam&nikki]

i got this female in june at an expo from the urban reptile they told me it was phantom but as i look at more albino morphs im really not sure that it

 

[Tony C]

If you got it directly from Urban then that's what it is, Phantom is their line. Unless of course they mislabeled it by accident.

 

[adam&nikki]

what would be good to breed it with right now i have a normal but i can get my hands on a partial snake eyes eclipse aswell but im looking to pick up a new male in the new year aswell any one?

 

[Tony C]

I would go with a Snow/Super Snow RAPTOR or Snow/Super Snow Tremper. Phantoms are a TUG Snow Tremper Sunglow, but yours doesn't seem to show much Snow influence, so strengthening that would be my focus.

 

[adam&nikki]

ok so breed her with a snow then? i also have a snow female and a tangerine female that i will be breeding next year and opinons on that?

 

[Khrysty]

it would be best to breed her, if you're going with the snow, with an ss/snow tremper or ss/snow RAPTOR. The reason being, if you breed her with just a snow you won't get any Phantoms in the first generation, you'll just end up with a lot of hets. If you breed her with a snow albino you'll end up with Phantom babies that have a strengthened snow influence.

(pretty sure, anyway..someone correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[T-ReXx]

it would be best to breed her, if you're going with the snow, with an ss/snow tremper or ss/snow RAPTOR. The reason being, if you breed her with just a snow you won't get any Phantoms in the first generation, you'll just end up with a lot of hets. If you breed her with a snow albino you'll end up with Phantom babies that have a strengthened snow influence.

(pretty sure, anyway..someone correct me if I'm wrong)

I get what you're saying but one point: Phantoms can only be created by breeding with other Phantoms. The Phantom is a TUG line, completely seperate from other "Snowglow" lines. So unless you breed to another phantom (or a TUG Snow Tremper) you are not going to get "true" Phantoms. Also, I would recommend crossing with a Line Bred snow(as TUG is line bred) and not a Mack, as Mack genes will detract from the high-whiteness effect of the Line bred Snow. I do agree that any animal crossed with her should be tremper or het tremper at least. A Sunglow or a Line Bred Snow would be my pick, if not another Phantom.(though to tell the truth from that picture, that gecko looks very "unPhantomlike" imo)

Added point: If that animal is in fact Phantom(if she is she's very very dark for one, I wonder if her temps were/are too low, lower temps during the first year of life can cause darkening of color in Tremper Albinos) and you have a snow and a hypotang female as well, Snowglow would be a good project to consider. I would acquire a male that is Tremper Albino + Line Bred Snow and possibly SHTCTB(again, a Phantom male would fit this perfectly) for that sort of project. Alternatively, a Tremper Hybino(Sunglow) or HypoSnow het Tremper(Creamsickle) would also be a possibility.

 

[Tony C]

From what I understand TUG Snows are a dominant mutation that are genetically compatible with Macks, so the offspring could show stronger Snow influence being bred to a SS/Mack Snow Tremper/RAPTOR. The offspring would not be Phantoms, but they could turn out very nice.

I would get in touch with TUG first and verify that what you have is a Phantom though, I really don't see any Snow influence, it pretty much looks like a plain Tremper the more I look at it.

 

[sammer021486]

I have seen a few TUG Phantoms posted around forums that have been very dark. From what I have read some go to that colour naturally or some get that way from being kept too cold, like others have mentioned in prior posts here about the tempers.

 

[Taquiq]

SnowGlow's are Mack Snow SHTCT Albino's (Mack Snow Sunglow) so that probably wouldn't work. But I am doing a SnowGlow/SunGlow/Cremesicle project. Should be interesting.

 

[adam&nikki]

ive checkd my temps and they are fine at 92.6 degrees on the hot side and between 84 and 85 on the cool side so mabe she is just very dark? or mabe she was just mislabled then so now my question is should i wait till next year to breed her and get a phantom male or breed her with a normal or possibly a partial snake eyes eclipse? which i can do this year



sorry for all these questions with some morphs iv just begun breeding them this year last year i delt with normals so this part of leos is new to me

 

[Tony C]

92 is a little low, 95-98 would be better. Before you decide what to breed her with you should get in touch with TUG to verify what morph she is.

 

[adam&nikki]

how will they know what one she is there has been 4 expos this year that i know that they went to or should i just sent them a pic of it?

 

[Tony C]

Send them a pic and all the info you have, they may have sales records or recognize her.

 

[adam&nikki]

ok i will try on boxing day and see what happens im hopeing that they can help tell me what it is lol could i not prove her out to a normal and find out that way?

 

[Tony C]

I think the best way to prove her out would be to breed her to a Tremper Sunglow, if she is a Phantom that would yield roughly 50/50 Phantoms and Tremper Sunglows, if she is just a Tremper then there would be no Phantoms.

 

[adam&nikki]

ok that way i can get a new gecko aswell lol

 

[Bellalee]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't TUG come with a hatch certificate? OK maybe they don't idk....

 

[cassadaga]

If you really believe her to be a TUG Snow, DO NOT breed her to a Mack Snow. Mixing snow strains is just as bad as mixing albinos.

 

[Wandering Paddle]

If you really believe her to be a TUG Snow, DO NOT breed her to a Mack Snow. Mixing snow strains is just as bad as mixing albinos.

+1 the hybrid super snows are cool, but a pain if bred to a non-snow animal. You could never know which animals inherited which snow trait...