Producing Diablo Bianco

darthkir

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Diablo blancos are 3 recessive genes = The Eclipse gene, The Blizzard gene, and the Tremper Albino gene. A blazing blizzard eclipse is a Diablo Blanco.

If you were to breed a Diablo Blanco to a Raptor then all the hatclings would be Raptors that are heterozygous for blizzard (DB).

The only way to get any Diablo Blanco hatchlings would be for all 3 genes (eclipse/blizzard/albino) to be in both parents. They can be homozygous or heterzygous for them but all 3 have to be in their genes.

This is confusing but nevertheless excites me.

I may understand incorrectly but referring to this part of articles from a couple of sources;

http://leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Eclipse

Diablo Blanco is a combination of 4 recessive traits, Blizzards, Tremper Albinos, Tremper Eclipse, and Patternless Stripe.

The Blizzard Eclipse trait also randomly popped up in Blizzard groups. As of right now, there seems to be nothing genetically behind the Blizzard Eclipse. When breeding two Blizzard Eclipses, non Eclipse Blizzards can be produced as well as Snake Eyed Blizzards and Blizzard Eclipses.


http://www.vmsherp.com/LCLeopardNames.htm

Eclipse (Raptor eye)

An interesting mutation first released in combination with albinism and a few other traits as the Raptor Leopard Gecko, caused quite a stir. For good reason, as it creates a unique solid but transparent colored eye - in which the pupil and iris cannot be distinguished! Albino specimens can have unique solid transparent red eyes, as illustrated here. Sadly, it has also created a ton of confusion! Since initially released in the form of the bright orange nearly solid patterned albinos (Raptor), many have come to believe this eye trait to be synonymous with "Raptor". It is not, it is a separate allelic mutation, just one component of a Raptor. To properly be a Raptor, a gecko must possess this mutation, but it is important to understand that Eclipse can be present in non-Raptors and can be combined with other mutations. Thus we can produce a completely solid black-eyed Normal Leopard Gecko, for example.

As with all albinos, the actual color of the eye can vary from light red to near black, as described in the albinism section above.

Eclipse-eyed geckos present another unique problem in terminology. This is a simple recessive trait, with specimens heterozygous for Eclipse possessing completely normal eyes. However, not all specimens homozygous for it will actually display the unique solid eye appearance. Some will have only half the eye colored (these are termed snake-eyed) while still others may have completely normal appearing eyes. To really complicate things, they may start out solid at hatching, later changing to "snake-eyed" or even normal!



So I understand that Eclipse which only exists in 3 morphs, one of it is Blizzard, is only a random trait confirming the breeder's claim that this is the first of his hatchlings (BB) that is an Eclipse.

Based on this (please correct me) Eclipse BB is not a true DB because a BB has yellow marking while DB is purely clean? And only by breeeding it to a Raptor, and again breeding the offspring of this Eclipse BB x Raptor only then will produce a pure DB?
 
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darthkir

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This is the Blazing Blizzard (eclipse), appears to solid black eyes. Need to breed to a Raptor to reproduce hatchlings which can breed DB?
 

tiedxupxinxknots

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Frustation lol. I am not sure if you are doing this on purpose guy.... but blazing blizzard eclipse is a diablo blanco but the gecko pictured isnt one because it doesnt have red eyes or it is probably a blizzard eclipse and if you are this confused then dont breed ...
 
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darthkir

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Frustation lol. I am not sure if you are doing this on purpose guy.... but blazing blizzard eclipse is a diablo blanco but the gecko pictured isnt one because it doesnt have red eyes or it is probably a blizzard eclipse and if you are this confused then dont breed ...

Yes I am confused but I am here to learn from you guys, that is where the fun is right? :D
 

darthkir

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Oh yes now I got it, its a blizzard eclipse since its not albino (blazing blizzard eclipse should have red eyes)

Ok another question for knowledge sake; to get a BB from a blizzard, I just need to cross it with say, a Tremper Albino straightaway?
 

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Oh yes now I got it, its a blizzard eclipse since its not albino (blazing blizzard eclipse should have red eyes)

Ok another question for knowledge sake; to get a BB from a blizzard, I just need to cross it with say, a Tremper Albino straightaway?

not necessarily if the Diablo Blanco has snake eyes then they are black, I dont undrestand what cross you want to make to get what.
 

darthkir

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not necessarily if the Diablo Blanco has snake eyes then they are black, I dont undrestand what cross you want to make to get what.

If its black then can we call it a DB? No right since DB must have red solid eyes due to the albino strain in it.

My other question was not related to DB at all. Since I realized that the photo shown could be a blizzard eclipse, and I know that to produce BB you need to cross it to another albino. So my question is; will crossing a blizzard eclipse with a tremper albino produce blazzing blizzard hatchlings straightaway?
 

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snake eyes arent red, heres a pic of a diablo blanco (snake eyes)http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/foru...y-leo-s-picture160716-diablo-blanco-misty.jpg

no you will get normals het diablo blancos, you are playing with recessive traits, which means BOTH parents need to carry the Gene to some degree(het if not homozygous) and how many leopard geckos do you have?

Thanks, understood the snake eye part. I thought you were saying that there is DB with solid black eye ( i missed the snake eye part). Now I just realized that snake eye is an ecplise variation that can exist in blizzard.

No, I dont have any gecko yet. Im getting enough understanding in order to decide on a morph with my hard-earned cash :)

I call this "due dilligence".
 

darthkir

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After clarifying, the photo is indeed a BB Eclipse. The photo is not displaying the ruby eyes correctly.
 

tiedxupxinxknots

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you do know that you have to heat and house all these geckos in order to survive, you will also need a incubator, a rack system, food, calcium, vitamins and several other necessities that will total up to atleast 500 dollars , you will also need to learn how to care for your leopard geckos and incubating eggs, and in order to create diablo blancos you will need to learn ALOT more so your hatchlings dont die, you have a long ways to go best of luck though because it isnt as easy as putting a male and a female together and waiting for the results.
 

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you do know that you have to heat and house all these geckos in order to survive, you will also need a incubator, a rack system, food, calcium, vitamins and several other necessities that will total up to atleast 500 dollars , you will also need to learn how to care for your leopard geckos and incubating eggs, and in order to create diablo blancos you will need to learn ALOT more so your hatchlings dont die, you have a long ways to go best of luck though because it isnt as easy as putting a male and a female together and waiting for the results.

Yes, I am aware. I am used to breeding other species (purebred ELH, serama etc.). But I am new in reptile. This is why I am doing, as I always do in many other things, due dilligence. BTW I am living in a hot & humid country so wheather is not an issue.
 

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Yes, I am aware. I am used to breeding other species (purebred ELH, serama etc.). But I am new in reptile. This is why I am doing, as I always do in many other things, due dilligence. BTW I am living in a hot & humid country so wheather is not an issue.

Reptiles need to thermoregulate, so they need a cold n hot side in their enclosure I don't think your house is 90 F on one foot and 80 degrees on the other, also high humidity levels aren't good for a leopard gecko which only needs about 40% humidity.
 
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Reptiles need to thermoregulate, so they need a cold n hot side in their enclosure I don't think your house is 90 F on one foot and 80 degrees on the other, also high humidity levels aren't good for a leopard gecko which only needs about 40% humidity.

This is absolutely correct. You have to create the ideal temps for leo's. Heating and thermostats are 2 of the biggest expenses of keeping geckos. Not to mention the monthly 40-70 bucks for worms/crickets(This is only if your breeding on a small scale). I hope this is something you will love doing, because most likely you will lose money in this hobby for the first couple of years.
 

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All of this can be confusing at times. What will make it easier is to do a lot of research. leopard gecko genetics can be really easy if you know how regular genetics work and then fnding how how the certain leopard gecko genes work.
Heres some links -
http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Morphs
http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm
http://www.reptileuv.com/reptile-caresheets/leopard-gecko-genetics.php
And there are plenty more on google and plenty of info on this site. Read as much as you can and if you still have questions then defianately ask.

Also, maybe start with something a little easier. Like something with less recessive genes. Maybe just raptors. If you really want to produce diablo bloncos then, as stated before, it will be esier to just buy a pair of diablo blancos. There will be no confusion this way and you will get the offspring you are looking to get n the first season, no questions asked.
 
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darthkir

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All of this can be confusing at times. What will make it easier is to do a lot of research. leopard gecko genetics can be really easy if you know how regular genetics work and then fnding how how the certain leopard gecko genes work.
Heres some links -
http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Morphs
http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm
http://www.reptileuv.com/reptile-caresheets/leopard-gecko-genetics.php
And there are plenty more on google and plenty of info on this site. Read as much as you can and if you still have questions then defianately ask.

Also, maybe start with something a little easier. Like something with less recessive genes. Maybe just raptors. If you really want to produce diablo bloncos then, as stated before, it will be esier to just buy a pair of diablo blancos. There will be no confusion this way and you will get the offspring you are looking to get n the first season, no questions asked.

Appreciate your assisting me with this, thanks!

Yes Im waiting for a hatchling of RAPTOR to mature in another 2 months, and Im thinking of getting the BB Eclipse in the photo above. Fromm that photo, would you think its a good specimen?
 

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Appreciate your assisting me with this, thanks!

Yes Im waiting for a hatchling of RAPTOR to mature in another 2 months, and Im thinking of getting the BB Eclipse in the photo above. Fromm that photo, would you think its a good specimen?

No problem, glad to help!

When you say Blazing Blizzard Eclipse do you mean Diablo Blanco? If it's a Diablo Blanco and you plan to breed it to a Raptor then you will get Raptor hatchlings that are het for DB and then the following season you could breed a hatchling or multiple hatchlings to it depending on the sex of them and you could produce Diablo Blancos from them. It looks like it's good quality, whether it's worth buying is up to you.
 

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