Question about Enigma

[Knytemare]

So ive had my Enigma for like week or 2 and last night i started noticing she was clumsy like or w.e and i started worrying and then found it, its a genetic thing, which makes me feel better but seeing this is my first enigma i dont kno much about them really, like are they pretty much the same just a lil more clumsier? cause she stil eats fine and all and is a sweetie, but you can still breed or anything with no problems? Just like to try and get more info about the genetic of her.

 

[ZombiGecko]

Yes you could breed her without much problem if that is something you decide you wanna do. Some have a severe problem with it(these should not be bred) and some show little to no symptom. I have a Snow Tremper Enigma male and you cant even really tell by how he acts.

 

[Knytemare]

well last night was really the first time i seen her be clumsy really, i mean she like went to attack a mealworm and like almost fell over, i hope she isnt all that bad, still a great girl just hope theres nothing to worry about.

 

[Dimidiata]

Enigma syndrom varies from enigma to enigma, some show it some dont, however the severity can also vary. Genneraly you will hear that the syndrom can be activated by stress, breeding is stressful wich is why you need to be carful when doing so with enigma. Some are off balance, some star gaze however some may spin in circles nonstop or flip over on their backs. Id just watch her and see how she devleopes, it may go away but come back.

 

[lillith]

I would say if she grows up and is still clumsy enough to do rolls or flips while feeding; then no, don't breed her.

I would be cautious breeding any that are "clumsy" in the first place. I'm inclined to say look for one not exhibiting signs at all, if you intend to breed.

 

[OnlineGeckos]

Also if you are new to enigmas, I would highly recommend not jump into breeding enigmas right away without understanding what to expect from them. At least raise one and care for one for awhile to see what they do. They generally do require more care, because at times they have difficulties eating so you may have to manually feed them. Also there's a good chance you'll need to assist with their shedding.

So like I said, if you are new to enigmas, please learn all there is about them before jumping right into breeding them. Yes they are pretty, in fact I think they are one of a kind, very unique. But enigma syndromes are something else. It'll be like taking care of special needs children, and not everybody's got the time or patience to take on that responsibility.

 

[The Gecko Person]

One more person not told about the syndrome when they bought an enigma...

 

[Reborn]

One more person not told about the syndrome when they bought an enigma...

Dont blame it soully on the breeder. Its the buyers responsibility to know as well. You dont go out and buy a snake and expect the seller to tell you Every possible thing. Half the people i talk with who are new to leos and enigmas DO do their research and have a descent understanding of the morph and its issues.

To the OP. If the issues continue i wouldnt consider breeding it. Ive had a girl show mild signs and when bred lost so much weight i considered putting her down as she wouldnt stop laying. Stress does cause issues to these guys. Since your new to enigmas as well id advise not breeding her until you have a better grasp on the morph. There is tons of info out there on them. Knowledge is power

 

[Dimidiata]

Dont blame it soully on the breeder. Its the buyers responsibility to know as well. You dont go out and buy a snake and expect the seller to tell you Every possible thing. Half the people i talk with who are new to leos and enigmas DO do their research and have a descent understanding of the morph and its issues.

This, customers are also responcible for gathering information before purchace. Although in this case i belive buyers should be informed on the condition, simply because the seller should have a disclaimer on the animals.

 

[Reborn]

This, customers are also responcible for gathering information before purchace. Although in this case i belive buyers should be informed on the condition, simply because the seller should have a disclaimer on the animals.

Yes but in this case the animal is just now showing the signs. You know as well as i that it can be random. We cant say for sure if the seller was a responsible individual or if they were out just to make a quick buck. Benefit of the doubt says that seller didnt have knowledge of any said issues. Clumsiness comes with all babies/juvies. Heck even some adults seem aloof regardless of morph.

 

[Dimidiata]

Tuche, i just hope the seller knew they were selling enigmas, if they were a disclaimer should come with each and everyone regardless of the current condition. If the breeder knew and didnt care to inform they are being irresponcible, if the buyer didnt ask then theres the answser, bottomline is that we are responcible for researching our pets before purchace.

 

[Reborn]

Tuche, i just hope the seller knew they were selling enigmas, if they were a disclaimer should come with each and everyone regardless of the current condition. If the breeder knew and didnt care to inform they are being irresponcible, if the buyer didnt ask then theres the answser, bottomline is that we are responcible for researching our pets before purchace.

Indeed. It's sellers like that tho that make enigmas seem so bad. Agreed its our jobs. i know i ask everyone I buy from with enigmas how bad tje parent had it and how off it shows up. But that's me

 

[katie_]

One more person not told about the syndrome when they bought an enigma...

Should have done her research.
I wouldnt buy anything without researching it first. The syndrom is the first thing you read when you google enigmas.

 

[Reborn]

Tuche, i just hope the seller knew they were selling enigmas, if they were a disclaimer should come with each and everyone regardless of the current condition. If the breeder knew and didnt care to inform they are being irresponcible, if the buyer didnt ask then theres the answser, bottomline is that we are responcible for researching our pets before purchace.

Indeed. It's sellers like that tho that make enigmas seem so bad. Agreed its our jobs. i know i ask everyone I buy from with enigmas how bad tje parent had it and how off it shows up. But that's me

 

[The Gecko Person]

Yes, people should research before buying animals, but I'm talking about the morphs. People say that all the morphs are the same to take care of, regardless of color or pattern.
That is partially true. If you have a mack snow, a super snow, albinos, tangerines, blizzards, they would all be the same to take care of as a normal.

My point is that people might assume that since it IS a leopard gecko, it's the same to take care of. People might go to a reptile show, thinking that all the leopard geckos are the same, and the only difference is color or pattern. They wouldn't have to research if there is no other difference.

 

[Reborn]

Yes, people should research before buying animals, but I'm talking about the morphs. People say that all the morphs are the same to take care of, regardless of color or pattern.
That is partially true. If you have a mack snow, a super snow, albinos, tangerines, blizzards, they would all be the same to take care of as a normal.

My point is that people might assume that since it IS a leopard gecko, it's the same to take care of. People might go to a reptile show, thinking that all the leopard geckos are the same, and the only difference is color or pattern. They wouldn't have to research if there is no other difference.

Id have to disagree there. Non albino vs albino MOST people know not to use lights on but others still insist. MOST would use a red or black light on a albino but there is always a hand full that dont.

Enigmas require the same care as a normal. there are a few that require MORE care yes but then i have seen some leos need special care that arent enigmas because of human issues(ie, broken limbs, mouth rot, MBD ext). The OP's could just be clumsy. I have many that are(non enigmas)

 

[The Gecko Person]

I was assuming they were being kept in a rack system, with limited lighting. Then, an albino would be identical to a normal to take care of. I wouldn't keep any leopard gecko (or nocturnal animal) in an aquarium with bright lighting.
I was just saying that they should warn people if they're going to sell them, in my opinion, the same way I would want people to be warned before buying an animal that gets too big or aggressive, even if there is limited information available.

Also, when I search for enigmas online, I almost never see much information about the syndrome, especially on most morph guide pages created by people trying to sell them. It's deep into threads on forums and the few breeders that seem to put true information over selling something that I find the most information about the syndrome.

 

[The Gecko Person]

I was assuming they were being kept in a rack system, with limited lighting. Then, an albino would be identical to a normal to take care of. I wouldn't keep any leopard gecko (or nocturnal animal) in an aquarium with bright lighting.
I was just saying that they should warn people if they're going to sell them, in my opinion, the same way I would want people to be warned before buying an animal that gets too big or aggressive, even if there is limited information available.

Also, when I search for enigmas online, I almost never see much information about the syndrome, especially on most morph guide pages created by people trying to sell them. It's deep into threads on forums and the few breeders that seem to put true information over selling something that I find the most information about the syndrome.

 

[Dimidiata]

Can we just leave it at; If you seel an enigma you have a moral responcibility to inform the buyer about the high chances of it having probelms as opposed to a normal.