Question About Giants

[spykerherps]

at what point (in grams) are leopard geckos considered giants?
100+? or 120+
I know that giants are genetic but what would be the smallest known genetic giant?
I am making a care sheet for my site and wanted to say that there is a giant line of leos and what grams they range from

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I would say a Giant can be from 75g. and up. Not all of them get very big.

 

[acpart]

Is weight the only determination for a giant? I always thought that the giants had a particular length range and body type as well as weight. I have 3 geckos that are over 100gr. for part of the year, sometimes as much as 110 gr. but they are each only 9" long and I wouldn't consider them to be giants.

Aliza

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Yes Giants are generally longer. Also, they have to come from Giants to be Giants. There have been some other geckos of that size, that were not Giants as well.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

See Im not so sure of the IT MUST come from a Giant to be a Giant (100% giant, 50% chance of super) or from Giant to normal (50/5o of getting a giant), who says its a giant, its size and characteristics right? They are not DNA tested nor guaranteed. So its based on non DNA tested genetics, just general rule of thumb of who came from where,

In the beginning they came from somewhere that were "not" originally a giant, it was a new morph genetically at the time, still not DNA tested and proven, it could be one of the subspecies of leopard geckos that have been crossed in and out without even knowing.

Todays leopard geckos most likely have more than one dang gone species involved and who knows what has been down with past years of imports and cross breeding within the species and subspecies.

So who is to say that someone can't buy 2 leos from UNKNOWN genetics and produce giants, we don't DNA test the buggers so their actual genetics are seen and time proven not DNA tested, if a giant popped out of no where genetically to begin with it then it can again over and over.

Also with all of the pet stores getting all of this and that from here and there, who knows what is being bred by the general hobbyist? They have no lineage to go to, just pics and thoughts of what is what is not a certain morph of leo.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

And before anyone says it, I know I NEED to go to bed

 

[hgrub]

IMO I think the definition of Giant gene is more like "potential to be 100+ grams and have a bulky body".

By potential I mean you have to keep them in a right set up. Like big parents can have child that can be huge but if he doesn't eat well then he will be just another normal size human being.

I think I'm gonna regret it when I see my post in the morning lol

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

You lost me, Wendy. As far as how the genetics are supposed to work no you cannot get Giants from non-Giants. You need at least one.

I`m not saying it could not happen again randomly, or that Giants are indeed genetic. I am just saying that is how it should be.

Large geckos that come from unknown Giants, are not considered Giants for that reason. I did not mean to say that someone with an unknown Giant cannot make Giants. Sure they could, but how would they know? They would`nt, so If you don`t know you have a Giant, you would not be calling the babies Giants. An unknown Giant, is just that, unknown, so if you made Giants and did not know it, what difference would it make.

 

[Mel&Keith]

The only way you know for sure is when you prove them out. We have a giant who is 110+g and makes 50% giants when bred to a normal sized gecko. We have a super giant who is 105g and makes 100% giants when bred to a normal sized gecko. They vary so much by age and weight just like people.

 

[MichaelJ]

The only way you know for sure is when you prove them out. We have a giant who is 110+g and makes 50% giants when bred to a normal sized gecko. We have a super giant who is 105g and makes 100% giants when bred to a normal sized gecko. They vary so much by age and weight just like people.

105 Gram super?? is it a female or extremely long? I have what I believe are the two types of giants.. This is just my opinion though.. One is a 107 gram male (RT's Moose's Nephew) and a 103 gram female that I consider is a giant (some may classify her as a super) The male is extremely long and heavy from greater surface area not just bulkyness (which he does have). The female is longer than most Leos but extremely bulky and large overall. When you pick her up you can feel her weight.. It's like picking up a bag of change.

From my understanding of their genetics. Giant X Giant has a 50% chance at more giants and a 25% chance at Supers. Supers X Giants = 75% Giants and 25% Supers, and Supers X Supers = 50% giant 50% Supers

I've been very lucky this season because i mated my male with most of my females (normal size and giants) and gotten quite a few giants.

I have a male super that is 147 grams but very finicky on when he wants to breed so I could get him "Randy" this year otherwise he would of made it into the mix..