radar bell genetics/pattern?

[boutiquegecko]

Either I'm not thinking straight or I'm super confused.
How does the radar look exactly like the raptor in the diff patterns? If it was only the eclipse gene x bells (unless I guess they were patterned bells), I just don't understand how they are turning out like that. I would think there would have to be some of the same morph combos involved as the raptor (switching albino strain)

 

[supperl]

I´m not sure but would say the Radar is a Patternless Red Stripe Eclipse Bell Albino. That´s what I guess. But I must say it´s confusing that their are no red exed Bell out their. Would be breeding Bell*Eclipse and offsprings together^^ that should give Eclipse bells(okay normals het BBB should also produce BBB *G*)

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Eclipse, come from "R/Aptor" lines, and carry all of the patterning traits. So of course we will eventually see "Radars" in all patterns.

 

[nevinm]

all the ones produced by JMG so far have been revurse stripes. or so i was told by them

 

[bro paul]

Not that this helps any...but I realized the other day that the red-eyed mack snow bell that I hatched last season has some very "eclipse-like" traits (white nose, white "forearms" and feet)...and I know there aren't any "raptor" traits anywhere around that project at all....?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

all the ones produced by JMG so far have been reverse stripes.

I have seen JMG sell plenty of Aptors that have very little, reverse stripe type markings as "Reverse Stripes" or "Jungles" tho`. Also they do not even mention the "patternless" on their Radar project page.

Aptors that have a few spots, are still "Patternless Striped" IMO.

They show a Banded Radar, and a partially(may not have hatched that way) Reverse Striped Radar on that page, so IDK about that.

 

[eyelids]

That Bell on their available Bells link looks like it could be the Bell version of the Aptor... I drool over it all the time...

Any updates on that sweet Bell Paul?

 

[boutiquegecko]

So it would be the eclipse gene causing the patterns.
Dan are there different eclipse then? Blizzard isn't related to the r/aptor eclipse is it? Or rather has it been proven different/the same yet?
Paul, you need to hang on to that male-do you have an updated pic of him?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I would not say the Eclipse causes the patterns, but they are part of the package. Eclipses("Raptors"), Aptors, hets, etc. seem to pass on all of those traits, to their babies.

There are Blizzards which have "eclipsed" eyes, but they are different than the Eclipse gene, seen in the Raptors. It happens randomly in the Blizzards.

 

[godzillizard]

Eclipse is not a simple "gene" it's a combination (or complex) of multiple traits that causes that appearance. The red/black eye thing is independant of the patternless stripe appearance--although the eye thing did originally emerge from those geckos. Those radar Bells should produce all known patterns in leos, just like the original Tremper version--I can't wait to see the Rainwater version!

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Right, and that is why you cannot have Eclipse "genes" without the patterning genes. The patterns caused the "mutation", so now if you breed an Eclipse to anything else, they will pass those on too. They are only independant, to a certain point. I know what you mean though.

 

[bro paul]

So...straight "banded" trempers with red-eyes (or some call them "banded raptors") are still carrying the patterning genes...maybe...but not really displaying them? I agree that they are related...I just wish someone could prove the eye-trait as recessive...or whatever. Has that been done already?
Here's an updated pic of this odd male...one solid red-eye, mack snow bell albino. Not the best pic for seeing the white nose, but you can kind of tell. I think he is "eclipse like" in a few ways...but I'll know soon enough if anything seems to pass on to his offspring.

 

[eyelids]

Thanks for the pic Paul! He is wicked looking with that eye...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Hey Paul, That guy is really cool! Yes I think that to get the banded "Raptor", someone would have bred their Aptor(Het Raptor) or Raptor, to a banded animal, or at least one which carries that trait. Raptors/Eclipse in general do not carry normal banded genes.

The normal genes will throw your results quite a bit, as they seem to be more dominant, but yes I believe a banded "Raptor" will at least carry Reverse Stripe, and "Patternless Stripe"(Aptor) genetics.

Eclipse, Patternless Stripe, Reverse Stripe, and Stripe all seem to prove out as recessive genes. This Radar project, the DB project, and the "Ember" project, all proved the Eclipse/Raptor gene to act in that way. I do not think they are simple recessive tho`.

 

[dprince]

Paul, that is one amazing looking gecko. :main_thumbsup:

 

[boutiquegecko]

Paul, his eye is red right? Seeing as he's not a super snow by no means, I'd have to say it's the bell gene at work contributing to the eye maybe. Is the other eye the same?

 

[bro paul]

Yes, it's red...dark red in the picture, but more red in person (I need Tamara to come take some photos...lol). It started out as a snake-eye and turned completely red in about 1 month. The other eye is perfectly normal...and he treats boths eyes the same. In my opinion, the red-eye works fine. If you look close you can see a line in the middle of the eye...do raptor red-eyes have this? I can't remember....

 

[JMGreptile]

In response to the question regarding the pattern of the Radars, we have produced just about every type of pattern mutation you can in our bell albinos. We have two reverse stripe Radars, two banded Radars, one that's a jungle, and we have three pattern less red stripe Radars that have the exact pattern of a really clean looking aptor. Don't forget almost five years ago we bred reverse stripe trempers into our bells to make double hets and we bred the best looking double hets together. After a few years we had a small group of jungle and partial reverse stripe bells and we bred the best ones to Trempers to find out which ones were hets and which ones were not. Once we had a bunch of nice bells that were proven not to be het Tremper we then bred them to some of our double het Radars.

 

[JMGreptile]

Paul that Red eyed snow bell is really wicked. If you look at it's pupil closely does it look white?

 

[paulnj]

All summed up nicely Jeff