Raptor & Aptors

[GeckoMandi]

My boyfriend has been wanting to start a breeding project of his own next season maybe involving raptors, and aptors.

I have 4 females- 2 normals, 1 LVPA, and 1 SHTC.

For some reason these morphs confuse the crap out of me, and he doesn't know much about the genetics stuff other than what I have told him, and I'm still learning myself!

Ok he wants to breed maybe to one of my females, I suggested the LVPA? I was curious about the offspring but he said the SHTC because it's recessive? I may be all mixed up! I'm sure of it! Can someone help me out on parings with the raptors and aptors?

He's been searching for a good male raptor/aptor to purchase but hasn't found that caught his eye yet.

 

[Californiaman]

Clarity would be real nice

Mandi:
You aren't the only ones confused. I'd like to know too.
I've seen some beautiful geckos on this sight. A little clarity on the subject would be nice. Knowledge is power.
If it were me, I'd go for the SHTC and breed it with another SHTC so the trait would become dominant. But I'm still a novice and am probably wrong. But my gut instinct tells me I could be right.
Todd

 

[Sandra]

Mandi, I don't know if you have read this thread but you may find it interesting. Although at first it was supposed to be a discussion about redstripes, it ended involving also aptors and raptors and their genetics: http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=2922

 

[GeckoMandi]

Ok ill check that out, I better get some headaches meds now, because when it come to this stuff I get a kickin headache!! lol.

I have my most of morphs down and hets, but these GET me and I don't know why but they blow my mind.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Mandi,

Normals are dominant

LVPA aka Rainwater (Las Vegas) is Recessive, and Patternless is Recessive

and the SHTCT is linebred

 

[GeckoMandi]

I meant to put linebred for the SHTC, and I already have plans to breed my male and female next season. I might just get him to buy the aptor or raptor and breed that back to one of my babies I produce from the SHTCxSHTC pair.

I don't know I'm confused about their genetics still, I'm going sit down in the peace and quiet here in a little bit after dinner and read that entire thread.

So aptors and raptors are recessive?

 

[Mel&Keith]

Aptor and raptor would act recessive if you bred one to a HTCT. They would make HTCT het aptor, so theoretically if you bred them back to the aptor you would get some aptors. The thing is, you could end up with albino jungles het aptor, stripes het aptor, reverse stripes het aptor, and maybe an aptor. Even if you bred an aptor to an aptor it doesn't guarantee that they would all come out patternless. The patterns very so much. Check out the Best of '06 that Dan just put pics up of in the show off your geckos section for a sampling of the different variations. I think that's right but I'm really bad at the genetics stuff so some one correct me if I'm wrong.

Here's a (probably really stupid) question I'd like to add - The LVPAxAptor wouldn't work because they are different strains of albino right? Do the different albino lines just cancel each other out?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

LVPA X Aptor, would give you pretty much normal tripple hets(maybe quadruple if we count RAPTOR, and your APTOR has that gene lol)

Its really pretty simple once you learn the basics!

 

[BalloonzForU]

Mandi, Don't worry I was just as confused when I started. It will become second nature as soon as it starts to make some sense. Even when you start working with many morphs as what is found in the APTORs and RAPTORs I still have to take a step back.

 

[GeckoMandi]

ok well I don't want to deal with that many het babies! geez! LOL I didn't know the strains of albino would be diffrent because they are both mixed with so much it seems, at this point I'm sticking to what I know.

I don't understand why he can't find a more simple project or stick with his cornsnakes! I'm going simple to start off, I do hope to produce something cool from LVPAxBB project. Only if my BB get's better.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Is youre BB a Tremper or Rainwater?

 

[LeosForLess]

I will solve this once and for all!!!


A RAPTOR is a bird of prey

an APTOR is a bid of prey, hence minus the R, a form of bidding on lower items on ebay.

 

[GeckoMandi]

Is youre BB a Tremper or Rainwater?

Tremper

 

[Sandra]

Then the offspring will be all normals het Tremper, Rainwater, Blizzard and Patternless. Wow

 

[trizzypballr]

I'd recommend not to start off with raptors/ aptors, they are way to confusing, even in here everyone tells a different story, seems to me no one knows what they are yet.... onne thing I do know is that when somethings het for raptor, raptor isn't just 1 gene, it is multiple genes that make a raptor, and since certain parts of a raptor are line bread, the reptile technically isn't het raptor, think of het raptor simply meaning that it has a raptor parent. remember that raptor stands for ruby red eye tremper albino patternless orange gecko, that might help you alittle bit, me personally I'd recommend to him looking into tabgerine albinos to get started, and then move into raptors

 

[BalloonzForU]

Then the offspring will be all normals het Tremper, Rainwater, Blizzard and Patternless. Wow

Mandi, I wouldn't pair your LVPA & BB together. You'll have a bunch of normal babies het for a lot of things. Don't mix the albinos either. Makes it too hard down the road to tell what the albino is when you start pairing the offspring.

 

[GeckoMandi]

Mandi, I wouldn't pair your LVPA & BB together. You'll have a bunch of normal babies het for a lot of things. Don't mix the albinos either. Makes it too hard down the road to tell what the albino is when you start pairing the offspring.

I didn't even know that! See you learn something everyday! I thought because they were both albino I never even thought of the diffrent strain. I have been looking for a good male LVPA though. So I would need a LV Blizzard from like one of paul sages? I thought about getting one of those.

I had a long talk with Mike about what I wanted to do and what I should do project wise, at this point I don't think I will be breeding the BB to anything until he gets better if even then. He keeps saying he wants to get a raptor/aptor whatever and I told him to get his own pair! lol I said I"m sticking to one project to start and not getting over my head which will be SHTCxSHTC.

I can house up to 12 babies right now if I had to but still I don't want to many I can't handle to start.

 

[BalloonzForU]

yeah, the three albino strains are separate and incompatible with each other. So if you were to breed a rainwater and a Tremper all the babies would be normal het rainwater and het tremper. Then if you paired those babies any albinos produced you would have to breed to a known albino to prove what it was.

 

[GeckoMandi]

Ok and correct me if I am wrong but the albino's are rainwater, bell and tremper?

 

[preacherman]

I will solve this once and for all!!!


A RAPTOR is a bird of prey

an APTOR is a bid of prey, hence minus the R, a form of bidding on lower items on ebay.

LOL!!!