RAPTOR or "angel's eye"?

[strigoii]

I thought I have RAPTOR, but now I'm not sure... He owns these amasing eyes - (once called here in one thread ANGEL's EYEs)

So I wonder what it is - Eclipse, or RAPTOR, or rare morph? His parents are both Tremper Sunglow with normal albino eyes.

 

[fuzzylogix]

interesting eyes. right off the bat i would think raptor, but im not seeing the white nose indicitave of the eclipse gene. a beautiful sunglow though.

 

[LZRDGRL]

Both parents must be het Eclipse, since it's a recessive trait. This one doesn't have Albino eyes, so it cannot be a Raptor (as far as I know).

But it has snake eyes and is thus an Eclipse (non-Albino, I'd think). What I don't understand is, a Sunglow is an Albino Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail, but yours doesn't have Albino eyes, so can it be a Sunglow? I don't think so, but its body looks like one.

It's a beautiful gecko, nice carrot tail, and nice intense yellow color. :main_thumbsup: If you breed it back to a parent, you should get more snake-eyed offspring.

Chrissy

 

[justindh1]

He is a nice looking leo right off the bat. What is strange about the eyes is that he looks Albino but he doesn't show any red that I can see of. The reason I am saying he is albino is because his spots are brown and not black. Sunglow X Sunglow should give you 100% Albino. He has no signs of being eclipse because no white nose and a distinct pattern the eclipse has.

I would love to get a bigger eye pic to look at that we can see fairly well. Did you breed the parents or get this one from a breeder? If it is from you then have you had any other hatch-lings that have shown this trait? Did the parents have any possible hets you know of? Are the parents 100% Albinos?

Just trying to eliminate some possibilities.

 

[Gazz]

If there's no history of Eclipes eye trait, I'd say your leo is expressing Tinted eye trait, Tinted eye is a pretty random, Unexplained eye trait, That pops up time to time,It's most often see in Blizzards and Snows, But Tinted eye trait is also seen in other morphs now and then.

 

[Gazz]

What I don't understand is, a Sunglow is an Albino Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail, but yours doesn't have Albino eyes, so can it be a Sunglow? I don't think so, but its body looks like one.

This leo is an albino type, You can tell by the brown in the tail.

All three leo albino strains are T+ albinos , So we don't always see there eyes as red.

 

[strigoii]

it is an albino for sure - 100%
I breed the parents, the female is het RAPTOR, so I guess the male was het too (they came to me as a pair from one breeder). I tried to breed it to back to female - no success yet. Next season I'll try to breed him with ruby-eyed RAPTOR female and snake-eyed female - from different parents.
And there is one thing - as hatchling he had very big red eyes, so I thought he is RAPTOR. I guess it is some variation of snake-eye...
Gazz - thank you about "tinted eye" info - where can I learn more about it? Maybe I should try breeding with a blizzard.

I'll try to make better photos tomorrow, here are both of the eyes -

 

[Gazz]

it is an albino for sure - 100%
I breed the parents, the female is het RAPTOR, so I guess the male was het too (they came to me as a pair from one breeder).

It is likely Both parents are HET Eclipse, A white washed nose is a trait of a leo expressing Eclipse, BUT not all Eclipse trait leo's express a white washed nose, It's just a high percent do. So your is very likely a Talbino eclipse super hypo tangerine carrottail.

 

[fuzzylogix]

not knowing if the sire was het eclipse, the only absolutely sure way to prove him out is to breed him with an eclipse female. since the mother is a raptor, i would breed him back to her.

 

[strigoii]

mother is not a RAPTOR - she is Sunglow, carring Eclipce
I will try back-breed, RAPTOR, W&Y and Blizzard

 

[tlbowling]

WOW! His eyes are awesome, kinda glittery, beautiful!

 

[justindh1]

It just seems to me that it would be hard to call those "eclipse" eyes! To me it looks like something that definitely needs be test bred with a Eclipse and a non Eclipse.

 

[Theinfidel]

"Next season I'll try to breed him with ruby-eyed RAPTOR female and snake-eyed female - from different parents."

Isn't the R in RAPTOR already meaning that it's ruby eyed?

 

[fuzzylogix]

yes, the R in RAPTOR stands for ruby or red eyed, but the eyes do not have to be red to be a raptor. if its a tremper albino that expresses the patterneless and eclipse genes, its still a raptor. i have some raptors that have 50/50 snake eyes, and had a mack raptor that was 50/100.

 

[Quantumhigh]

Looks alot like the marble eye gene. From what I know it is in the process being proven out by a few breeders. Very beautiful gecko!

 

[strigoii]

Thank you all for the answers!
I've contact Matt Baronak about marble eye - he's not sure about this case.
And - RAPTOR by the name was ruby-eyed at first, but today you can find snake-eyed RAPTOR as well.
So I guess I will be starting a genetic proving of this "wierdo" this season and we'll see what is going to happen.