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[SaSobek]

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Alberto did produce black eyed animals from "patternless stripe" X "patternless stripe" i think he also produced the red eyed ones as well. the project was kinda split into 2 there was "paternless stripe" X "patternless stripe" and then he breed some other "patternless stripe"s to the Raptor. he got the raptors/eclipses from both breedings


also he did produce the sunglows with the red eyes that are not related to any raptors at all and the eyes are different they are marbled. they will be bred this year to see what is behind it.

the eclipse or raptor trait might be able to be taken from the striped lines and put on to banded animals

i think the reason that we say that it is related is because all of the first animals that it showed up on were the striped animals.now that the eye thing is out it might be able to be put into other things. i think with all the breedings this year we will know a lot more. this trait is still realy very new. we dont know how it works totaly yet. we might not ever know total what it is and how it works but im sure we will get close.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Who says that "het" Eclipse do not produce Eclipse? And do you know how many eggs they hatched? Because it is fairly possible to get "bad odds" on any het X het project, I did and its to be expected from a small(er) amount of offspring.

Lets eliminate the term "RAPTOR"? Albino-Eclipse or something of that nature makes more sense. I mean people are going to start calling them "Jungle RAPTORs, and "Red Stripe/Reverse Stripe RAPTORs", just because of the goofy "acronym":main_laugh: It is for simplification purposes? haha good one

"Red Eyed" or "Albino-Eclipse" if Albino or "Black Eyed", or "Eclipse" if not. This would work very well, then if its a Patternless, Stripe, Reverse Stripe or Jungle you would say that as well.

I do not think it is recessive and I could tell you many reasons why, but I do think it is genetic AND linked to pattern, mostly the "Patternless", but Reverse Stripe and Stripe is responsible.

"APTOR"...

As far as I have seen all of what were sold as "APTORs" and het APTORs, before anyone knew about the red eyed version were indeed "het" for Eclipse. Ron thought/or told me at least, my APTOR was only a possible het, and my female was NOT a het. She is a Reverse Stripe "het" APTOR. To make my point on this ALL of what I sold as "possible hets", fathered by that male were indeed gene carriers. This, to me makes the "Patternless" itself responsible. If your gecko is a "APTOR/Patternless Stripe" or carries the genes for "APTOR/Patternless Stripe, meaning a "het APTOR" then it is possible for that gecko to produce the "Eclipse" mutation.

"Patternless Red Stripe"...

I bred a Red Stripe to a Partial Reverse Stripe Albino w/ Striped Tail (not APTOR/RAPTOR related) and many of what Alberto, had named, "Patternless Red Stripes" were created.

APTOR X Patternless Red Stripe...


"Eclipse" and Albino-Eclipse have been produced from two "Patternless Red Stripe" geckos, both Kelli and Alberto have hatched them. They also hatched them from RAPTOR X PRS. I bred my APTOR "het" RAPTOR to my PRS and hatched ONLY PRS and Reverse Stripes. I only hatched a few so no black/red eyes. This is the same thing that happens with the APTOR/RAPTOR project geckos. So...

...the "APTOR" (which is "het" for RAPTOR) and the "Patternless Red Stripes" we created are exactly the same thing. Reverse Stripes, Stripes, etc, can produce the Patternless morph, and from there is where you get the Eclipse morph. It is surely a combination of things. Seems like it goes in this order as far as the way the patterns are linked, one may be the "super" form of the next. Jungle>.Stripe>.Reverse>.Patternless>.Eclipse

 

[eyelids]

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Alberto did produce black eyed animals from "patternless stripe" X "patternless stripe" i think he also produced the red eyed ones as well. the project was kinda split into 2 there was "paternless stripe" X "patternless stripe" and then he breed some other "patternless stripe"s to the Raptor. he got the raptors/eclipses from both breedings.

Ah I see. That's awesome! I guess I had my info a little mixed up...

Dan you the man!

Looks like I need to get me some of these beauties! An Eclipse het Albino male and two Albino Eclipse females would be nice. Ehhh... why not make it four Albino Eclipse so I could get a male SS Tremper to breed them with! :main_thumbsup:

P.S. My Bells won't be happy if I ever do that...

 

[SaSobek]

very nice post i agree with you 100%

it would be great if you keep us posted on the results this year as well.

 

[taco]

so now aptors are het raptors? i am totally confused. so what are het aptors and het raptors (that arent aptor)? nothing?

 

[Lottiz]

Dan!!! This is soo interesting! Thank you for all that info!

I got an Aptor male het raptor and a PRS female het albino:

I've put them together and I hope I can get some nice babies there...even if it's "just" PRS. I think they are beautiful!

/Lottiz

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

so now aptors are het raptors? i am totally confused. so what are het aptors and het raptors (that arent aptor)? nothing?

Any gecko that is an APTOR or Patternless Stripe (same thing)or carries those genes is basically the same thing as a "het" RAPTOR. That means that a "het" APTOR, should also be able to make Eclipse(called "RAPTOR" when Albino). I do not think you can have an "APTOR" that is not capable of making an Eclipse, or Albino Eclipse.

A "het RAPTOR" is carrying the gene for Eclipse, "Patternless" or both. Thats why it is very confusing to call something het for RAPTOR, the correct term would be het Eclipse. The very goofy acronym somewhat implies an Albino or Tangerine Albino, that is het RAPTOR, is het for Albino, and also Tangerine when that is not possible. Common sense is needed, when one is Albino or het Albino, but still.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Lottiz they are very nice, you just may get an Eclipse from them too!

 

[Lottiz]

Lottiz they are very nice, you just may get an Eclipse from them too!

Thanx, yes I hope they will

/L

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Lets eliminate the term "RAPTOR"? Albino-Eclipse or something of that nature makes more sense. I mean people are going to start calling them "Jungle RAPTORs, and "Red Stripe/Reverse Stripe RAPTORs", just because of the goofy "acronym":main_laugh: It is for simplification purposes? haha good one

I said that a loooooong time ago.

 

[Ishtar]

Love this thread. I am going to use words and pics to ask a question. First pic is APTOR second is het APTOR what should I expect? Thanks.

 

[okapi]

Love this thread. I am going to use words and pics to ask a question. First pic is APTOR second is het APTOR what should I expect? Thanks.

Any combination of traits from the APTOR gene pool... All hatchlings should be tangerine, some will be albinos, some will have carroting on the head/tail, some will be banded, some will be jungle, some will be stripe, some will be reverse stripe, some will be "patternless stripe", maybe even some eclipses/red eyes... There are so many genes that pretty much any combination would be possible. I would love to hatch out an eclipsed albino tangerine reverse stripe with a great carrothead and a striped carrot tail :main_yes:. Basically if your working with "hets" from the aptor gene pool your in for some random hatchlings. Its like a suprise every time an egg hatches Im waiting for my "het" X "het" eggs to hatch right now

 

[mateusz1985]

After reading all of those posts I am more confused than before. I am wondering if I cross my raptor male with tangerine female and in the next season cross those hets again with a father what would be the percentage of getting raptors? Is it possible to get raptors from that cross? I also have some sunglows (Tremper) and I want to pair one of the females with a raptor male. Will I get sunglows het for raptor?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

percentage of getting raptors?

Should be about 50% Eclipse whether they re Albino ("Raptor") or black eyed. They can also be just about any pattern.

Some people dont know this, others do. That does not mean half of your babies will have red/black eyes, though it could work out that way. The whole percentage thing applies to each egg. Meaning each gecko is a new flip of a coin.