Rescued gargoyle.

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I have a question retaining to the health of my rescued gargoyle.

This female i took in this morning was delivered to my door with no charge. Initally, like most people, I'm thinking there is something terribly wrong with the animal. Well after undergoing an inspection, I noticed her spine is bent. She has a moderate hunch right below the neck. I'm hoping that this is a case of calcium deffiency and not MBD. My question being; can I help this animal out?

BTW; I've been home from vacation since sunday, sorry i hadn't posted in ages! Glad to be back :main_cool3:

 

[Dron2124]

bent spine? if its wavey then its more then likly mbd

 

[T-ReXx]

A picture would help.

Once the spine is bending it's full blown MBD or a birth defect. If it is MBD chances are she will always have some degree of deformity depending on how long she's had it.

FYI: Calcium deficiency is the cause of MBD, it in itself is not a disease.

 

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yes i know, i was hoping it was only minor and not the full blown deal.
With liquid calcium rexx, do you know the recommended dosage ?

 

[T-ReXx]

Depends on the type of calcium. With Calcium Gluconate it's 0.01 cc per 10 grams for minor cases. For serious MBD a veterinarian really should be consulted.

 

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Thanks rex, this girl is deffidently needing medical treatment. It's a little tougher trying to find someone close to home. This weekend she's got an appt 2 hours away.
poor thing =[

 

[T-ReXx]

I really think gargs have higher calcium requirements than other Rhacs. I give my adult females liquid calcium in their water dishes as well as feed them snails and dust their roaches every feeding. I also mix a little supplement in with their CGD. I strive to see visual external calcium sacs on my geckos, especially the females.

 

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I really think gargs have higher calcium requirements than other Rhacs. I give my adult females liquid calcium in their water dishes as well as feed them snails and dust their roaches every feeding. I also mix a little supplement in with their CGD. I strive to see visual external calcium sacs on my geckos, especially the females.

I have no clue what her previous owner was using or in that case what he was doing for supplements but at this point of time it's far surpassed being sick. I've left gutloaded and coated crix in there, i've fed her the mango repashy, and left some Supercal Med in a cap. I'm wondering if i can try to use some rescuecal+ (Allen Repashy) do you reccomend this or ever tried?

 

[T-ReXx]

RescueCal is an excellent product, I've used it with female Uroplatus for Calcium crashes before. It may help.

 

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Her tail has now straightened out, I've been told the bent spine is permanent. She's now climbing the glass vertically, finding every little nook and cranny to take shelter in. She never used to be able to get more than 2-4inches off the ground, she's now stressing me out some nights when i see her clinging to a vine half a foot off the ground, i'm worried she may fall and hurt/ break her already weak bones. These are all just signs of improvement I presume.

the vet said Calcium gluconate can be given at 250 mg for 1 dose only, and calcium lactate at 5 mg IM or SC, daily for 1-7 days.

I've also just put in my Order yesterday To Northern Gecko for some rescuCal Med. This should be arriving today at any point.

Thanks again Ted.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

I've been curious about the rescue-cal product also, and am very interested in hearing of experiences with it. I recall reading something about it a while back, that it's an equivalent to calcium gluconate?

Good job on the rescue, Lee

 

[T-ReXx]

Yes rescuecal is virtually identical to oral calcium gluconate. I have never been disappointed by any of allens products. Glad to hear she is doing better. Unfortunately yes, spinal twists are usually permanent.

 

[Hannibal]

Hi Lee, sorry I didn't respond to your note sooner...I hadn't logged in for a while because I was sick. I'm surprised the forum didn't email me that I had a msg, strange. Ted has some real good experience also & looks like he has been helping you on the calcium.

Do you have any photos you can post of her showing her back curve and her neck area? Do you have a current weight on her? When you consulted the vet, did they take any x-rays? That would be the only real way to know if she has MBD, an injury that healed incorrectly due to lack of treatment, or if she has an infection.

 

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Hi Lee, sorry I didn't respond to your note sooner...I hadn't logged in for a while because I was sick. I'm surprised the forum didn't email me that I had a msg, strange. Ted has some real good experience also & looks like he has been helping you on the calcium.

Do you have any photos you can post of her showing her back curve and her neck area? Do you have a current weight on her? When you consulted the vet, did they take any x-rays? That would be the only real way to know if she has MBD, an injury that healed incorrectly due to lack of treatment, or if she has an infection.

Thanks for getting back to me hannibal, and absolutely no problems. Ted was here to save the rescued garg

I had an appt 2 hours away a couple of weekends ago. They told me that it was more severe and that the next step would have been rubbery limbs and jaw structure. They had prescribed gluconate and lactate.

She's coming around, still not able to climb a verticle object, but if it's on a 40-70 degree angle, she's alright. I've provided a hammock, hoping she will take advantage of not having to strain herself to be off the ground. She LOVES it. Her tail is now only wavy at the base, rather than from base to tip.

I do have some pictures and i want to show you guys how far she's come. I can't seem to find the charger at the moment. My girlfriends cheap camera doesn't ever do anygood anyways and it doesnt help that i'm shooting the photos

As soon as I can, I will upload the shots and have ted and yourself feed me your input.

Thanks so much Hannibal, and I really do hope you feel better now! :main_laugh:

 

[Hannibal]

Sounds like she's getting around much better. With the treatment you are giving her it will prevent her condition from getting any worse which she'll appreciate. In cases like hers, it is best to have a longer enclosure than taller so she can take advantage of the size without the strain on her joints/muscles. The 40-70 degree angles are an excellent idea to help her get some of that much needed height all gargs love.

 

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pics

Here are some shots of the rescued garg, I don't have any updated photos, these were taken the day we recieved her.

I'm going to have some updated ones Asap.

Thank you so much again, both Ted and Andi.

 

[Hannibal]

Oh that poor girl, I am sooooo glad you rescued her. Your TLC and the special enclosure setup you made for her probably probably seems like heaven to her. You'll definitely need to keep us updated on how she does.

 

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Oh that poor girl, I am sooooo glad you rescued her. Your TLC and the special enclosure setup you made for her probably probably seems like heaven to her. You'll definitely need to keep us updated on how she does.

I can't explaine how thankfull i am to have guys like yourself here for support.