Ron Tremper on KS in 10 Minutes

[eyelids]

Might be interesting...

http://chat.pethobbyist.com/login.php?room_id=1011

I'm Eublepharids by the way...

 

[BluGnat]

I thought that was you...

 

[stevehiss]

Ooo good question about the Macks and Enigmas Michael!

 

[KelliH]

Oops, I forgot to log Steve out.

LOL, his answer was interesting about the Enigmas.

 

[KelliH]

Ron says that the Enigmas genetics need to be "tested and relieved" for 2 to 4 more years of breedings... funny thing is, he did nothing of the sort with his Raptors!

 

[eyelids]

Thanks! I knew it had to be asked...

For those who missed it...

Eublepharids: what do you think of the enigmas and mack snows and do you plan on adding them to your projects?

MorphMaster: I have been using the mack snow genes for 2 years here towards some projects I am testing..........

Eublepharids: cool cool

MorphMaster: I have some geckos that resemble the enigma line hatching this year........strange eye color and body pigments...... the snow is a proven
morph...........

Eublepharids: interesting

MorphMaster: as for the enigs.....I think they could be a hot item but their genetics need to be tested and relieved through 2-4 years of more breedings........ nice geckos for sure....... GA

 

[eyelids]

Ron says that the Enigmas genetics need to be "tested and relieved" for 2 to 4 more years of breedings... funny thing is, he did nothing of the sort with his Raptors!

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! :main_rolleyes: :main_laugh:

 

[eyelids]

MorphMaster: raptor futures.......

MorphMaster: The raptor can be brought to a little higher standard by making them patternless and with 100% carrot tails.......

MorphMaster: BUT, you need to know that the raptor has the genes that unlocks several new morphs......... what I call hidden genes that surface when certain pairings occur......so the raptor will be an important foundation morph for several more years........

 

[KelliH]

This is my question:

Hi Ron... I was wondering if you could clear something up about how the Raptor trait works... There is some confusion about that... Is it recessive, incomplete dominant, or is it, as some have speculated, the combination of breeding two aptors to each other? Thanks!

 

[KelliH]

And his answer:

Hi kel

the raptor is the result of a combination of genes......one for eye color and one for pattern basically........ it is not the combination of breeding two aptors together......

when you breed a pure raptor to any other gecko that does not have raptor genes you do not get intermediates but they do not clearly follow the definition of a recessive trait either...........

at this time I am leaning towards a case of incomplete dominance, but I must tell eveyone that through some of my other test projects I am getting results that don't fit any known genetic definition......... so we all need to work on these traits and not rush to define them by only one gecko or only 1-2 years of test breedings.......... lots to learn.......
MorphMaster: GA

 

[KelliH]

I like Ron very much, he is a really nice man, and I respect his work soooo much. It just bugged me when he said that about the Enigmas LOL.

 

[eyelids]

I wonder what these "several new morphs" could be... Just combos???

 

[giantkeeper]

yeah

So I am gonna need to get me one of these Enigmas :main_yes:

 

[SirKevin]

Is the chat archived anywhere?

 

[BluGnat]

I wonder what these "several new morphs" could be... Just combos???

That's exactly what I was wondering - and also wondering what he meant about the (R)APTORs having several "hidden" genes in them. Hmmmm.

 

[boutiquegecko]

Kelli you do great work-perhaps he's just a little irritated that he didn't hatch out the enigmas first?? Hopefully he respects you and how much you've contributed as well. I didn't think he really worked with bells though, does he?

 

[KelliH]

No, he does not work with Bells.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

Kelli you do great work-perhaps he's just a little irritated that he didn't hatch out the enigmas first??

I kinda agree with that, Kelli. I mean I dont know Ron at all, but even the way he answered it, it was almost like he refuses to acknowledge it because he did not hatch it himself. Almost like he is trying to preserve a reputation. I think enigmas are the best looking geckos I have seen. Yeah, they are just starting and I am sure there is some truth to what he said, but I don't think it is going to take away anything from the morph. Kelli, your geckos are incredible, and as I said in that PM, my mouth drops every time I go to your site.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

Sorry for the double post!

 

[Kotsay1414]

Is the chat archived anywhere?

It's not on KingSnake yet, I can't wait to read it either.